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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by SanjayMehta »

mrguyorama wrote: post #101
SanjayMehta wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USS Yorktown, the aegis missile carrier comes to mind for some reason. I think it was the same ship which shot down a passenger airliner.

You are wrong on all points. The US shot down Iran Air 655 using the USS Vincennes, a Ticonderoga class ship. The shootdown was before Windows existed. It's controversial what to "blame", but I generally blame the captain, who defied all reason and caution to shoot down an aircraft that they never identified. He went gung ho and maybe got tunnel vision but he should have been outright court martialed. That should hav…

I'm not wrong on all points. Just the identity of the terrorist which shot down the airliner. But it's the same gang of habitual war criminals who all need to be Nuremburged.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by GaryBluto »

euroderf wrote: post #88
netsharc wrote: post #21

The astronaut's quote needs to be a billboard ad.. "I also see I have 2 instances of Outlook, and neither of those are working".

One is hacked by a Russian hacker group based in St. Petersburg, the other is hacked by a Chinese hacker group, and the third instance was actually BackOrifice but it couldn't get enough resources to run because of the other two.

A bad case of Three Stooges syndrome.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by thephyber »

dotancohen wrote: post #217
autoexec wrote: post #196

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Email is a pretty good way to send short text messages, but it's not great at sending files. The basic protocols are pretty simple and we've got a lot of experience using them. I can see the appeal of email. There's no way that outlook is the best tool for the job though, and it's no surprise at all that they're having problems with it. It's a complete mess with insane amounts of overhead and bloat if all you want to…

This comment is downvoted, but it is correct. Emailing a file takes roughly 30% more bandwidth than a file transfer protocol (any such protocol, not necessarily FTP) due to mime encoding.

Discussion of the MIME part’s encoding as being an inefficient size is missing the forest for the trees.

The entire message is (or can be) compressed before transmission (eg. When IMAP has DEFLATE enabled).

Just because an intermediate encoding step expands binary to make it text safe doesn’t mean it has to stay uncompressed during the entire existence of that MIMe message.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by esseph »

stackskipton wrote: post #68
mrweasel wrote: post #56

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> Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents back and forth. To me that's probably much more interesting. We assume they have all this fancy NASA tech, probably some special communication protocols, but nope, email is fine. Still not sure why they'd use Outlook, but I guess it's easier than retraining astronauts on Alpine or Mutt. How long did the US military rely on mIRC... decades, maybe t…

US Military still uses IRC/mIRC for similar reasons. Easy to self host and it's low bandwidth.

Wow I remember that from late OIF. Fascinating that they're still using it!

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by esseph »

papichulo2023 wrote: post #235
aucisson_masque wrote: post #168

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Obligatory Linux comment when speaking about Microsoft, windows or anything related. I don't have Linux but you guys make it hard to like it.

Dude you are on HN no Reddit, most people around here use Linux

I wished I believed this, but it feels closer to 50% Apple, 35% Windows, 15% Linux.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by rayiner »

syntaxpr wrote: post #181
stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

Neither outlook nor thunderbird. Best option would be some web browser based email + local web server (on board)

Why go through all that trouble to reinvent SMTP? Outlook is trash, but the web is even worse.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by thephyber »

jayofdoom wrote: post #131
sombragris wrote: post #120

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> However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. Claws-mail ( https://claws-mail.org ) has a good working Windows version. Native desktop app, lightweight, extremely fast, able to handle multigigabyte inboxes for breakfast. The only drawback for some would be that it does not compos…

I used this for a while. It doesn't display HTML emails just fine. It only supports a subset of stuff which -- as a geek is awesome because it protects me -- but would be hideous to give to a normal user. Literally less than half of my emails were readable.

As someone with deep experience in MIME encoding/parts, HTML for emails, and email client support for different HTML/CSS/image content, this is a sinkhole.

The world will be better off when we fork HTML so there is one standard email-safe version that all modern email clients support natively. There’s entirely too much security surface area to put arbitrary HTML into emails and expect any 2 email clients to render it correctly / the same.

Email needs its “no more IE6” moment.

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Post by Brybry »

undersuit wrote: post #194
flysand7 wrote: post #184

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1969: Our toilets suck, better be miticulous and careful with waste 2026: Too much shit, we need to design new toilets

The Apollo missions used a disposable bag you taped to your butt.

"Give me a napkin quick. There's a turd floating through the air" - Tom Stafford, Apollo 10 Commander (1969) [1]

"I used to want to be the first man to Mars. This has convinced me that, if we got to go on Apollo, I ain't interested" - Ken Mattingly, Apollo 16 Pilot (1972) [2]

[1] https://www.vox.com/2015/5/26/8646675/apollo-10-turd-poop

[2] https://apollojournals.org/afj/ap16fj/24_Day9_Pt1.html#:~:te...

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by thephyber »

scorpionfeet wrote: post #174
xg15 wrote: post #151

Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

Can you instead compare the mission critical code of Artemis instead of the email client? How many KB is the flight controller?

Your parent’s comment was a joke and you’re replying as if it went over your head.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

hatthew wrote: post #172
irthomasthomas wrote: post #166

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Is this incident not reason enough? Astronauts in space are needing remote support to debug it, and taking up priceless mission time.

Sure, but bespoke software isn't necessarily going to be more reliable. https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-... > The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they’ve been fixed.

Alpine and mutt are about as far from bespoke as it gets. Both are far less likely to suffer from bugs than outlook.
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