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Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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I was just looking to buy a Raspberry Pi 5: the 8GB one is now 58% more expensive than last year; that's more than what I'm willing to pay.

Raspberry Pi hasn't been a cheap SBC for a long time. It's now in the same market segment as a NUC, but without the case and with worse price to performance.

Unfortunely there are no ARM NUCs with a good distribution support, and that is still a strong value for getting a Raspberry Pi.

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I'm trying to work out if I should buy a 48GB M4 Pro Mac Mini now, or wait for M5 Pro ones later this year. For AI/ML purposes, mostly. As far as I can tell, the new M5 MacBooks didn't go up much or any for the same amount of RAM?

At this point is the performance advantage of Apple CPUs even worth it if you can't upgrade the ram itself? I'm thinking you might be better off building a PC and putting the absolute bare minimum RAM in it, with plans to swap that out with good stuff in a year or two once the RAM market stops being insane.

RAM, disk, CPU, GPU, for me it isn't for quite some time, then again I have been mostly a Windows/UNX person, only using Apple gear when assigned via project delivery.

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US prices are often low enough that it's almost worth the flight just to grab one. 14' MBP M5 Pro 64GB - $2999 or 3449 €

That's not US prices, it's just price without VAT vs with VAT included. US also has sales tax it's just not included in list prices.

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I also love the compute modules for their size. Stick one on a nano base board and they’re half the size of a Pi 5. TBH the standard Pis are a bit frustrating with all of the IO. I do not believe the average purchaser is using one as a PC replacement and wants 4 USB ports and 2 HDMI ports. I’ve never seen one in use like that. They are mostly servers or driving a single display without any user input.

100% with you on the IO. I've never even wanted two display output ports with any raspberry pi. You know what I do want though? An actual damn HDMI port! HDMI cables are everywhere, wherever I am I have unlimited options to connect an HDMI device to some kind of screen. But micro HDMI? The literal only thing in my life that uses it is the Raspberry Pi 4 and 5. There have been plenty of times where I've reached for a…

The micro hdmi thing (which I too loath) is for digital signage and industrial machinery - we (home users) aren't the audience and haven't been for a long time.

Being able to run two sides of an advertising board, or two control panel screens on a big hunk of metal doing fabrication things in a factory was more important to Raspberry Pi as a business apparently.

Why he heck they didn't just go with 1x normal hdmi and 1x usb-c +DP for the Pi 5 is a mystery, perhaps the SOC doesn't support it or something.

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This is most likely the case. They ended their production run and have inventory (or so they thought). Now with the rush for LLM power, they sold out of them and they no longer have that inventory. This was a surprise to their bottom line AND their supply chain logistics plan! I’m sure they wanted to order more but were priced out for the increase in ram costs. Apple probably decided it wasn’t worth it until they rev…

Regret on a $10k desktop rendered obsolete for purpose (the 512GB of RAM only has so many applications) months later is not a great look. It's good long-term brand value thinking to close the regrets window earlier. Definitely “Caution” stage: https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/mac-studio/

“Rendered obsolete” is a doing a lot here. It might have been discontinued, but it is still faster than the rest of the line and the only self-contained computer that can handle models that large.

The most I would say is that it was discontinued, but, depending on how it goes, it might be just sold out for now pending on memory procurement.

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> M4 Max lacks the UltraFusion interconnect Any idea why? Wasn't that on the M1?

I suspect that the cost/benefit isn't there. Those who need the "biggest Ultra" will be happy with the previous generation or so, and so they'll refresh that on a 2 or 3 year cycle.

Given that generation gains are not sufficient to make a Max twice as fast as the previous-gen Ultra, a longer cycle is rational. The M3 Ultra is still the fastest M-series system.

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My understanding is “ultra-ify” means put two together. I think it’s about having inventory https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/03/apple-unveils-m1-ultr...

It used to mean that, but the new M5 Pro and M5 Max have separate CPU and GPU chiplets with an interposer, similar to how the previous generation Ultras were based on connecting two Max full dies. So it's unclear whether there will be any Ultra for the M5.

This tells me the Max CPU chiplet has two interfaces to GPU dies. If you can connect two CPU chiplets via the same interface, making an M5 Ultra is doable by joining two CPU chiplets, each with a GPU chiplet attached.

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And here I was hoping they would put an M5 Ultra in a MacBook Pro. Maybe they will add it as an option to the 16” at a later date.

This is never happening, the Ultra needs a giant copper heatsink.

Ditch the Aluminium and go with a copper MacBook Pro. Or silver. If you get it with a terabyte of RAM, the silver shell will be a small part of the total costs.

Argentium 960 would most likely be the best alloy for the job, as it’s a good heat conductor and doesn’t tarnish like pure silver.

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I've been in tech for ~40 years now and I've never seen anything like this. The downstream repercussions on consumer products that have no access to cheap memory is devastating and is an extinction level event for most low-cost providers of cell phones, tvs, etc.

>I've been in tech for ~40 years now and I've never seen anything like this. Then how do you not remember the DRAM shortage of the late 1980s?

I'm pretty sure there were more DRAM manufacturers back then, and spinning up a new fab probably didn't require as much know-how, capital or even time.
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