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Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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> Amazon is selling 128GB memory kits @ 5600MHZ for $3k. 128GB memory kits are not $3K. Closer to half of that. Amazon is not a good source of RAM pricing.

Where would you recommend sourcing RAM?

Newegg has 128GB kits from quality vendors at $1500: https://www.newegg.com/crucial-pro-128gb-ddr5-5600-cas-laten...

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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It used to mean that, but the new M5 Pro and M5 Max have separate CPU and GPU chiplets with an interposer, similar to how the previous generation Ultras were based on connecting two Max full dies. So it's unclear whether there will be any Ultra for the M5.

And here I was hoping they would put an M5 Ultra in a MacBook Pro. Maybe they will add it as an option to the 16” at a later date.

This is never happening, the Ultra needs a giant copper heatsink.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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The Mac Studio highest config was a great value for AI workloads though at least for inference and no one is reporting this….

Don't you need two 512GB ones for unquanted latest chinese models?

Yes and the result of this $10k endeavour is a much slower a dumber model than any SoTA $20/mo API. On top of the maintenance burden to keep software/models updated.

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This is most likely the case. They ended their production run and have inventory (or so they thought). Now with the rush for LLM power, they sold out of them and they no longer have that inventory. This was a surprise to their bottom line AND their supply chain logistics plan! I’m sure they wanted to order more but were priced out for the increase in ram costs. Apple probably decided it wasn’t worth it until they rev…

Regret on a $10k desktop rendered obsolete for purpose (the 512GB of RAM only has so many applications) months later is not a great look. It's good long-term brand value thinking to close the regrets window earlier. Definitely “Caution” stage: https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/mac-studio/

Perhaps not? Think of all the Chrome tabs you could keep open at one time!

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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IMO its more nuanced. They're likely in production ramp-up of the M5 Ultra Mac Studio, for release in the next ~3 months; they have pre-purchased bins of memory from the supply-constrained major memory supplies; and they need as much as they can get because they want to push an M5 Ultra config to 768gb to continue the "you can run local models" story that the M5 Max Macbook Pro started telling last week. Going beyond…

What’s the price of that beast? #meCryingTearsOfBlood

Apple will be the first company to pioneer a new "work for tokens" program; simply commit yourself to six months of servitude with The Company to pay off your new Mac Studio purchase.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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IMO its more nuanced. They're likely in production ramp-up of the M5 Ultra Mac Studio, for release in the next ~3 months; they have pre-purchased bins of memory from the supply-constrained major memory supplies; and they need as much as they can get because they want to push an M5 Ultra config to 768gb to continue the "you can run local models" story that the M5 Max Macbook Pro started telling last week. Going beyond…

What’s the price of that beast? #meCryingTearsOfBlood

Less than $10,000, depending on what CPU and storage you select.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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>Apple buys and uses so much RAM across all its product lines that it’s in a better negotiating position than the likes of Framework or Raspberry Pi, but CEO Tim Cook acknowledged in the company’s last earnings call that memory pricing could begin to eat into Apple’s profit margins later this year.

There's also the fact that they were charging $200 to add 8GB of RAM before the prices went up, when that much RAM was something like $70 at retail . The problem then is that when the supply gets more expensive and you were already charging the maximally-extractive price to customers, they can't eat much more of a price increase, so instead most of it has to come out of margins.

Actually that is relatively cheaper than Apple has ever sold ram. They would always charge $200 for each ram upgrade and it might have been only 4gb or less back then.

The twist now though is they started soldering in the RAM with the retina macbook, so you can't run around apple's extortionate pricing like you could in the past and just buy components off the market.

Such a stupid cartoon evil villain move too, just to force us into getting RAM from them. I have never been memory bandwidth bound (Apple's excuse for soldering in the RAM) in my life and yet I am forced to buy computers that optimize for this at the expense of things I actually care about like serviceability. And also consider the fact it incentivizes people to buy more RAM than they need today in effort to future proof their device, in a time of RAM shortages. And who knows maybe by the time that RAM amount is relevant the CPU can no longer keep up so the hoarding might not even be for anything either.

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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I think it's unlikely that Apple is paying the spot price for memory. They almost certainly negotiate delivery/price contracts in advance. Maybe the contract for the chips used in the 512GB model will expire soon?

Apple needs to seriously consider some sort of vertical integration on memory, it has proved it can do it with CPU's

Re: Apple's 512GB Mac Studio vanishes, a quiet acknowledgment of the RAM shortage

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IMO its more nuanced. They're likely in production ramp-up of the M5 Ultra Mac Studio, for release in the next ~3 months; they have pre-purchased bins of memory from the supply-constrained major memory supplies; and they need as much as they can get because they want to push an M5 Ultra config to 768gb to continue the "you can run local models" story that the M5 Max Macbook Pro started telling last week. Going beyond…

Is Apple telling the "you can run local models" story, or is it third parties?

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