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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #80
esoltys wrote: post #35

Why now? From the Govt of BC press release: "The Interpretation Amendment Act, which is the legal framework that enables the Province to adopt permanent DST, became law in 2019. At the time, government chose not to bring it into force in order to co-ordinate timing with neighbouring U.S. states in the same time zone. Recent actions from the U.S. have shifted how B.C. approaches decisions that merit alignment, includi…

Notably Washington state legislated the same change to DST years ago (instead of standard time, the morons!) but the federal government never approved the switch. AFAIK it's still pending. I remain unclear what authority the federal government has over such a matter and why Washington (or any other) state has opted to respect it. What are they going to do if a state just ignores them and switches their clocks? Someti…

> Sometimes I get the impression that the spirit of states rights in the US has died.

It was bullshit from day one. The origin of the state's rights argument was slave state's attempting to force free states to round up fugitive slave and return them to the slave states.

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Post by crazygringo »

MoonWalk wrote: post #50
ternus wrote: post #48

Almost nowhere do you see the sun directly overhead at noon, even during Standard Time. The differences can be quite stark: https://24timezones.com/cms-static/images/uploads/solartimev... BC (and PST) is actually quite reasonable in this regard, with Vancouver and LA being fairly close to "on the money." Contrast that with China and Russia, where clock time can be 2h+ off from solar time. As a further note, this is o…

Maybe, but Standard time is still closer to "correct." "Daylight Savings" time never made sense. Why are we "saving daylight" when there's more of it?

> Why are we "saving daylight" when there's more of it?

We're saving it from the morning in the summer, when there's way too much of it while we're asleep, to use it in the evening, when we want to enjoy the outdoors with our families and friends after dinner.

The point is to increase the enjoyment of summer sunlight after the work day is over.

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Post by messe »

pkulak wrote: post #219
jorvi wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Instinctively, I think morning light is important to our biology for a daily reset I'd bet people would happily trade away the inkling of light they get during their winter commute before locking themselves into their office for some extra daylight when they leave that office. Daylight is most enjoyable if you can actually make use of it.

That's what everyone says. But it turns out people hate spending their morning in darkness for more light at night. Which makes perfect sense: https://washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-... > the inkling of light they get during their winter commute It's not an inkling. Unless you roll out of bed and instantly onto your commute, you're getting natural sunlight through all your windows for hours every…

That has to be latitude dependent.

> you're getting natural sunlight through all your windows for hours every morning

Hah "hours". Not in Northern Europe you're not. My commute is dark on both sides. If I had to choose which side I'd prefer to be brighter I'd prefer the end of the day rather than feeling like my daylight has been wasted in the office. I shift my schedule in winter to make up for this as best I can.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

hatthew wrote: post #68
mikkupikku wrote: post #62

Reminder that a few hundred years ago when clocks were oddities we didn't have to deal with any of this madness because everybody used True Solar Time as a sundial would read it. What time do kids go to school? After the sun rises. Simple. Now that we have clocks it suddenly becomes difficult to schedule simple things like sending kids to school in sunlight.

While true, I'm not sure what your point is? Centuries ago, everyone got up at sunrise to tend to the farm because the farm needed tending at sunrise. These days, organizations like schools and grocery stores need to coordinate with hundreds to thousands of people daily, and "angle of sun in the sky" is nowhere near precise enough. Let alone phone calls and instant messages that travel across many timezones.

I think point is that now we have technology that is super adaptive to local longitude while changing timezone in all of worlds software is super difficult.

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Post by rawgabbit »

jonny_eh wrote: post #10
bryanlarsen wrote: post #6

I would have preferred permanent standard time to permanent daylight time. But I accept I'm in the minority, and even permanent daylight time is far superior to changing clocks twice a year.

It's "standard" for a reason. Humanity settled on these numbers long ago because they work best. It boggles my mind why anyone would choose otherwise since what we do at any given hour is arbitrary.

Meh. The nerd in me prefers the French Revolutionary clock of 10 hours in a day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_time.

I want to be able to say I sleep from 0 to 3 hours or 30 percent of the day.

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Post by gegtik »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #231
gwerbin wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I don't agree with this at all. I want the light when I'm getting up in the morning. When I'm coming home from work it's the end of the day: I'm tired, I'm hustling home to do errands or chores or make dinner, I'm probably going to spend that time inside anyway because that's where the things that I need to get done are, and if it it's going to be cold and windy, it's going to be cold and windy in the evening. I…

> I want the light when I'm getting up in the morning I apologize society is inconveniencing you.

interesting, I see his preference is some kind of slavering radical antisocial screed whereas yours is the universal desire of all of society

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Post by gosub100 »

crazygringo wrote: post #232
tzs wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition to the reason already given (kids get home before the evening traffic picks up), another reason is that generally driving conditions are worse in the morning than they are in the evening so if there isn't enough light for both the morning and evening drives to be in light it is safer to give the light to the morning drive.

> another reason is that generally driving conditions are worse in the morning than they are in the evening Wait, why? Where? I've never heard this. Which driving conditions are you talking about? Rain? Snow?

It's coldest at night, so morning ice would be worse than evening, when daily highs are reaches and roads have been driven on more.

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Post by userbinator »

boothby wrote: post #5
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #4

My dream world is everyone using 24 hour clocks set to UTC

My dream world would have 86400 time zones, one per arc-second of the globe, so we can all sync our clocks at high noon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_time
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