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I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by queenkjuul »

SoftTalker wrote: post #183
beowulfey wrote: post #152

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LLMs talk like people; there is nothing wrong with this. It's perfectly fine to be nice to something even if it isn't human. It's why we don't go around kicking dogs for fun. I understand why people don't act polite to LLMs, but honestly I think not thanking them will make people act more dickish to other humans.

I like to think we can perceive a difference between a machine and a living being. I don't thank my bicycle for transporting me or thank my spell-checker for finding typos. I get that we are prone to anthropomorphize but was just something I found a bit surprising.

See, i have absolutely thanked my car. When i was broke driving a beater and it was below zero outside, practically every time it chose to start lol

I don't think it's that weird

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Post by dgxyz »

surgical_fire wrote: post #186
dgxyz wrote: post #150

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That's why my account is so new. Zealot hordes. I grow tired and walk away from HN. Not sure why I keep coming back. I remember when everyone was reading SICP and Clojure and Blockchain were going to burn the universe to the ground. Then crypto. Now this. Been around much longer than HN and watched this cycle so many times it's boring. I'm still writing C.

> Not sure why I keep coming back. It's good toilet time for when Reddit gets too annoying.

That’s probably it actually.

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Post by neoromantique »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #217
svara wrote: post #145

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Yes, it's been odd to observe the parallels with the web3 craze. You asked people what their project was for and you'd get a response that made sense to no one outside of that bubble, and if you pressed on people would get mad. The bizarre thing is that this time around, these tools do have a bunch of real utility, but it's become almost impossible online to discuss how to use the tech properly, because that would re…

Very similar to web3! On paper the web3 craze sounded very exciting: yes, I absolutely would love an alternate web of truly decentralized services. I've been pretty consistently skeptical of the crypto world, but with web3 I was really hoping to be wrong. What's wild is there was not a single, truly distributed, interesting/useful service at all to come out of all that hype. I spent a fair bit of time diving into the…

>As a contrast, in the early web, plenty of people were hosting their own website, and messing around with all the basic tools available to see what novel thing they could create

I'm hoping that the already full of slop centralized platforms now with LLM fueled implosion will overflow and lead to a renaissance of sorts for small and open web, niche communities and decoupling from big tech.

It's already gaining traction among the young, as far as I can see.

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Post by csa »

AstroBen wrote: post #168
californical wrote: post #111

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But it’s worth being careful - you could’ve said the same thing 3 years ago about NFTs. They were taking off and people made very convincing arguments about how it was the future of concert tickets, and eventually commerce in general. If we started writing lots of laws around NFTs, it would just be a bunch of pointless (at best), or actively harmful laws. Nobody cares about NFTs today, but there were genuinely good i…

Some of my friends bought a tonne of bitcoin when it was around ~$100 because it was clearly the future. I'm still not sure if I was an idiot or smart to reject that

> I'm still not sure if I was an idiot or smart to reject that

Both.

Smart because you realized that BTC is an incredibly flawed currency, or store of value, or whatever you want to call it.

Idiot because you grossly underestimated the desire of the general public to gamble on the “next big thing”.

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Post by didntknowyou »

bpodgursky wrote: post #26
mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

You guys can hate him, but Alex Karp of Palantir had the most honest take on this recently which was basically: "Yes, I would love to pause AI development, but unless we get China to do the same, we're f***, and there's no advantage unilaterally disarming" (not exact, but basically this) You can assume bad faith on the parts of all actors, but a lot of people in AI feel similarly.

oh please. people said that about the moon, and nuclear weapons too. and yet it's the one side who has a track record of using new technology to intidmidate.

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Post by monkpit »

coldtea wrote: post #218
monkpit wrote: post #61

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Yeah, if you consider a military-grade AI/LLM with access to all military info sources, able to analyze them all much quicker than a human… there’s no way this isn’t already either in progress or in use today. Probably only a matter of time until there’s a Snowden-esque leak saying AI is responsible for drone assassinations against targets selected by AI itself.

> Yeah, if you consider a military-grade AI/LLM with access to all military info sources, able to analyze them all much quicker than a human… there’s no way this isn’t already either in progress or in use today. Still wouldn't mean much. Wars are won on capacity, logistics (the practical side, not ability to calculate them), land/etc advantages, and when it comes to boots on the ground, courage, knowledge of the plac…

Ok, I didn’t say anything about what you said though. I said it’s definitely either in progress or already implemented.

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Post by bpodgursky »

coldtea wrote: post #225
bpodgursky wrote: post #211

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You should really step back and think, maybe you've spun a very complicated web of beliefs on top of your own eyes. Yes, maybe everyone is playing 8 dimensional chess and every offhand comment is a subtle play for credibility. Or maybe sometimes people just say what they think.

"This late night informercial guy is not genuinely believing the product to be amazing, he's just saying shit to sell it" "Yes, maybe everyone is playing 8 dimensional chess and every offhand comment is a subtle play for credibility. Or maybe sometimes people just say what they think". I mean, dude, a corporate head having a conflict of interest in saying insincere shit to promote the stuff his company makes is not s…

If he was making nuclear weapons, would you question the statement, "I would be happy if everyone stopped making nuclear weapons, but if China is making them, we can't unilaterally disarm"? I'm very willing to believe a CEO who says that! They are human beings!

Whether or not you believe it, a lot of people view advanced AI the same way.

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Post by Havoc »

goda90 wrote: post #69
Havoc wrote: post #30

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To me global rise of full blown authoritarianism in every corner seems more plausible than a shooting war. The tech is very well suited for controlling people - both in the monitoring sense and destroying their ability to tell what’s really. ie new stalemate in the form of multiple inward focused countries/blocs

"We've always been at war with Eurasia"

Bingo

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Post by ryandrake »

ffsm8 wrote: post #204
Frost1x wrote: post #101

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Tech has slowly been moving that way anyways. In terms of ROI, you’re often much better off targeting whales and large clients than trying to become the ubiquitous market service for consumers. Competition is fierce and people are poor comparatively, so you need the volume for success. Meanwhile if you go fishing for niche whales, there’s less competition and much higher ROI for them buying. That’s why a lot of tech…

The reason why whaling and government contracts are increasingly the best options available is because the wealth from the working class has mostly been extracted... And with less and less disposable wealth available to the populous, targeting them for products gets increasingly competitive as anything non essential gets ignored It's a negative feedback loop, and the politicians would rather reduce taxes on the rich…

The sad reality is that 80-90% of us are simply no longer economically relevant to $Trillion dollar companies. Even if we were paying customers, each of our total lifetime values is a rounding error on these guys' balance sheets. An individual could swear off Company X, and it wouldn't even be noticed, not even by someone deliberately looking for the economic impact of losing a customer.

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Post by coldtea »

bpodgursky wrote: post #247
coldtea wrote: post #225

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"This late night informercial guy is not genuinely believing the product to be amazing, he's just saying shit to sell it" "Yes, maybe everyone is playing 8 dimensional chess and every offhand comment is a subtle play for credibility. Or maybe sometimes people just say what they think". I mean, dude, a corporate head having a conflict of interest in saying insincere shit to promote the stuff his company makes is not s…

If he was making nuclear weapons, would you question the statement, "I would be happy if everyone stopped making nuclear weapons, but if China is making them, we can't unilaterally disarm"? I'm very willing to believe a CEO who says that! They are human beings! Whether or not you believe it, a lot of people view advanced AI the same way.

>They are human beings!

Barely.

Even in the nuclear weapons CEO case, if they actually believed that, they'd be in another line of business, not making millions of nuclear weapons.

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