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Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by nsauk »

29athrowaway wrote: post #234
nsauk wrote: post #210

┌─────┬──────────┬─────────────────────┬───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐ │ # │ Name │ Key Commit │ Notes │ ├─────┼──────────┼─────────────────────┼───────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤ │ 1 │ Warelay │ 16dfc1a5b (initial) │ Original name - "WhatsApp Relay CLI (Twilio)" │ ├─────┼──────────┼─────────────────────┼──────────────────────────────────────────…

Next time try indenting with 4 spaces, then it gets monospaced

Are you using a custom reader? Because on the official HN website, two spaces are enough. I took this from https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc

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Post by Night_Thastus »

xnorswap wrote: post #99
voodooEntity wrote: post #39

So i feel like this might be the most overhyped project in the past longer time. I don't say it doesn't "work" or serves a purpose - but well i read so much about this beein an "actual intelligence" and stuff that i had to look into the source. As someone who spends actually a definately to big portion of his free time researching thought process replication and related topics in the realm of "AI" this is not really…

I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Wheth…

What you're talking about can't be accomplished with LLMs, it's fundamentally not how they operate. We'd need an entirely new class of ML built from the ground up for this purpose.

EDIT: Yes, someone can run a script every X minutes to prompt and LLM - that doesn't actually give it any real agency.

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Post by colecut »

dom96 wrote: post #224
colecut wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A very small percentage of people know how to set up a cronjob. They can now combine cronjobs and LLMs with a single human sentence. This is huge for normies. Not so much if you already had strong development skills. EDIT: But you are correct in the assessment that people who don't know better will use it to do simple things that could be done millions of times more efficiently.. I made a chatbot at my company where…

If it’s for normies then why is the open source hardish-to-use self-hosted version of this the thing that’s becoming popular? Or is there enough normies willing to jump through hoops for this?

open source is not anti normie... free is very pro normie..

self hosted? you mean, you install it?

it's not hard to use?

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Post by razbakov »

jnwatson wrote: post #196
ilitirit wrote: post #193

I understand what this does. I don't get the hype, but there are obviously 1000s of people who do. Who are these people? What is the analog for this corner of the market? Context: I'm a 47y/o developer who has seen and done most of the common and not-so-common things in software development. This segment reminds me of the hoards of npm evangelists back in the day who lauded the idea that you could download packages t…

A lot of people see how good recent agents are at coding and wonder if you could just give all your data to an agent and have it be a universal assistant. Plus some folks just want "Her". I think that's absolutely crazy town but I understand the motivation. Information overload is the default state now. Anything that can help stem the tide is going to attract attention.

AI creates just more information overload.

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Post by swordsith »

guluarte wrote: post #230
lode wrote: post #67

I tried it out yesterday, after reading the enthousiastic article at https://www.macstories.net/stories/clawdbot-showed-me-what-t... Setting it up was easy enough, but just as I was about to start linking it to some test accounts, I noticed I already had blown through about $5 of Claude tokens in half an hour, and deleted the VPS immediately. Then today I saw this follow up: https://mastodon.macstories.net/@viticci/1…

you can use your claude max subscription

oh yeah let me just pull my 200$ monthly subscription out of my back pocket

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Post by tomstockmail »

currymj wrote: post #238
bob1029 wrote: post #4

I would have stood my ground on the first name longer. Make these legal teams do some actual work to prove they are serious. Wait until you have no other option. A polite request is just that. You can happily ignore these. The 2nd name change is just inexcusable. It's hard to take a project seriously when a random asshole on Twitter can provoke a name change like this. Leads me to believe that identity is more import…

Anthropic already was using "Clawd" branding as the name for the little pixelated orange Claude Code mascot. So they probably have a trademark even on that spelling.

Runescape boss "Clawdia" [1] predates Anthropic use by several years.

https://runescape.wiki/w/Clawdia

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ilitirit wrote: post #193

I understand what this does. I don't get the hype, but there are obviously 1000s of people who do. Who are these people? What is the analog for this corner of the market? Context: I'm a 47y/o developer who has seen and done most of the common and not-so-common things in software development. This segment reminds me of the hoards of npm evangelists back in the day who lauded the idea that you could download packages t…

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Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by swordsith »

jdkoeck wrote: post #217
windexh8er wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really easy to run this in a container. The upside is you get a lot of protection included. The downside is you're rebuilding the container to add binaries. The latter seems like a fair tradeoff. What I'll say about OpenClaw is that it truly feels vibe coded, I say that in a negative context. It just doesn't feel well put together like OpenCode does. And it definitely doesn't handle context overruns as well. Ult…

It is completely vibe coded. The author himself says he doesn't check the code. https://x.com/Hesamation/status/2016712942545240203 Can't believe people are giving it full access to their MacOS user session. It's a giant vulnerability waiting to happen. Sending an email with prompt injection is all it takes. https://x.com/Mkukkk/status/2015951362270310879

this should be top comment, this whole project is a 0 day orgy

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by notpushkin »

I love the idea, so I wanted to give it a try. But on a fairly beefy server just running the CLI takes 13 seconds every time:

  $ time openclaw
  real    0m13.529s
Naturally I got curious and ran it with a NODE_DEBUG=*, and it turns out it imports a metric shit ton of Node modules it doesn’t need. Way too many stuff:

  $ du -d1 -h .npm-global/lib/node_modules/openclaw
  1.2G    .npm-global/lib/node_modules/openclaw

  $ find .npm-global/lib/node_modules/openclaw -type f | wc -l
  41935
Kudos to the author for releasing it, but you can do better than this.
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