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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by Brian_K_White »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #142
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #111

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Europe waking up would even be good for the US long term. The US has coasted on success and grown fat on lack of competition.

"Things are going to be so much better when we needlessly make them shittier." WTF Americans. We will do anything to just be chill with this crap. I don't know about you, but in school when I was lazy and waited for the last minute and did my work purely out of pressure I did not, in fact, do better work, and got worse outcomes (a worse grade than I normally got).

What happened was you learned what you just said, and it changed you for the better for the rest of your life. Going through the experience was a 1% negative in trade for a 99% positive.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

mcphage wrote: post #228
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #142

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"Things are going to be so much better when we needlessly make them shittier." WTF Americans. We will do anything to just be chill with this crap. I don't know about you, but in school when I was lazy and waited for the last minute and did my work purely out of pressure I did not, in fact, do better work, and got worse outcomes (a worse grade than I normally got).

>> Europe waking up would even be good for the US long term. > "Things are going to be so much better when we needlessly make them shittier." I don’t think Europe becoming more competitive would make things shittier at all. Why do you think that?

Why Truncate quotes to to make it sound like I was responding to something other than what I did? The post are right on top of eachother.

It might be good for Europe/the world, but it is not 'America first' or good for America.

Why would we want to inflict MORE competition on ourselves? We can easily create competition within our own country if that is a desirable outcome. To beat my analogy to death if a class is graded on a curve, I'm not recruiting the smartest people I know into it just because 'that will make me try/work harder'.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by phs318u »

mrtksn wrote: post #108
komali2 wrote: post #30

I liked this bit by Doctorow recently https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/01/39c3/ If you're getting tariffs anyway, why not just take the yoke of American business protection laws off your shoulders? Let French engineers sell jailbreaking hardware for iphones, or Romanian developers sell unlock keys for John Deere tractors.

Because they are terrified that there will be unpredictable and turbulent times for the major industries? Just look at the public opinion polls, EU citizens are ready to take on Americans and even the most pro-US countries are barely on the green in public opinion towards US. The problems is that the old guard, the establishment is fanatically pro-US and pro stability. Which means that the current politicians are in…

Except that increasingly, pro-US is looking a lot less like pro-stability. People forget that nationalism doesn’t have to have a right-wing flavour.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by phs318u »

bigbadfeline wrote: post #162
penguin_booze wrote: post #135

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Audience did paid for the ticket ("vote") to the show, though. As always: hire a clown, expect a circus.

The bill was almost the same before the vote. A single vote or a single person decide nothing. The candidates were selected and the vote was driven where it had to be by those with real power over the the two parties, there was no real choice. What you see now would happen regardless of who the public voted for.

> What you see now would happen regardless of who the public voted for.

No. If Biden had attempted even a tenth (or Obama a hundredth) of what Trump has done, he’d be facing Nixon-level approbation and possibly real jail time.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by [deleted] »

magicalhippo wrote: post #237
mrtksn wrote: post #220

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Nope, you form a company in Italy and sell your goods you produce in France to that company. That Italian company ships it the same way you always did. Since Trump is erratic and there's no real trade deal between those countries and thus US doesn't have a case to claim that someone is breaking the rules of origin. Not to even mention that you can't put tariffs on individual EU countries anyway. That's EUs domain. If…

> Nope, you form a company in Italy and sell your goods you produce in France to that company. Ah, that would indeed be entirely different. Not as quick to get going through.

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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by [deleted] »

ofrzeta wrote: post #134

What's next? Will he stamp on the ground like a five year old? I mean, there's this treaty between the US and Denmark that they can build military bases etc. "The U.S. has such a free hand in Greenland that it can pretty much do what it wants," said Mikkel Runge Olesen, a researcher at the Danish Institute for International Studies in Copenhagen. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/07/world/europe/trump-greenl... So what…

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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by palata »

jleyank wrote: post #73
palata wrote: post #48

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> Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides. Well, Europe effectively has enemies on both sides right now .

Germany is used to that, and it never seemed to deter them in the past. Us has a hard time deploying lots of troops vs Europe. Shoulder and truck launched weaponry, 3 shifts, 7 days.

> Germany is used to that

Are you talking about a situation from a century ago?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by palata »

tim333 wrote: post #203
palata wrote: post #40

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Under those conditions, one could wonder if NATO is still actually a thing.

NATO is 32 countries with a Dutch guy as the head. Without the US there'd still be a lot of armed forces - infographic: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/...

If a NATO country invades another NATO country, what do the other 30 countries do?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by fatbird »

xiphias2 wrote: post #148
padjo wrote: post #39

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I don’t buy this at all. Russia is a relatively small economy with a tiny fraction of the EU population. The US is not going to launch a shooting war with Europe. Europe is not going to back down here. This Greenland thing is deeply unpopular in the US. It’s only a conflict because of one senile old man who will be dead soon.

It's not just 1 old man. Most of the wars Trump does is just a logical continuation of the military industrial complex strategy, he just doesn't hide it at all. Venezuela was already a target, Panama was already conquered, and I'm sure Greenland was in plans already.

The US already has 1) a base in Greenland, and 2) and agreement with Denmark that they can arbitrarily increase their presence there. America could increase it's presence a hundredfold and start putting missiles there, and Denmark would be fine with it.

America is threatening Greenland for one reason: Trump wants to brag that he added Greenland to America.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by fatbird »

anal_reactor wrote: post #199
voidfunc wrote: post #20

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Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides. It will align with the US reluctantly because even a bat shit crazy US is better than Russia. China plays it too close to the chest to be a friend.

> Europe cant afford to have enemies on both sides Neither can the US. Imagine Europe supporting China in exchange for China backstabbing Russia - entire Ukraine and Belarus and maybe even Kaliningrad suddenly are up for grabs for EU while China gets Russian territories that it has historical claims to. Then China gets access to European technology (ASML and Airbus) which means that the US stops having massive techno…

No one wants Kaliningrad now because it's 100% Russian. Annexing it means adding a Russian fifth column to your country.

I'm surprised by this, but my general opposition to ethnic cleansing has been weakened by understanding how Russia uses Russian migration to subvert nations from within. Transnistria, an independent Russian dominated portion of Moldava, exists entirely because Russians moved there in large numbers with the support of the Russian government to give them an ethnic wedge. Were I in charge in Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Poland or the Baltics, I would seriously consider expelling all ethnic Russians.

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