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Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by wsc981 »

ta9000 wrote: post #228
wsc981 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just a Dutch guy that emigrated to Thailand, but I'd never trade my Toyota Hilux diesel for an electric truck. I don't want to have to rely on electric to be able to drive my car. A hybrid could be ok though. The nice thing about diesel, in case of emergency is you can have a couple of filled jerrycans around so you can always move if needed. I like the reliability, it feels more anti-fragile, if that makes sense…

“ in case of emergency is you can have a couple of filled jerrycans around so you can always move if needed” How many times has this been a problem for you?

Luckily I haven't had any emergencies. But in Thailand recently there's been flooding in the south, many people stuck. And in eastern part many people have been evacuated due to border tensions with Cambodia.

I live in the north-west Thailand, close to the border with Myanmar. An area known as the Golden Triangle [0].

About once a month or so we don't have electricity for a about 10-12 hours or so.

I also experienced a quite big earthquake here about a year ago.

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[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Triangle_(Southeast_Asi...

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by dalyons »

roadside_picnic wrote: post #116
nospice wrote: post #98

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> The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive So are RAM trucks and I don't think they're hurting for customers. I think there are two fundamental issues. One is that pickups are a weirdly-politicized lifestyle choice in the US - i.e., if you're progressive, you're supposed to hate them and see them as the symbol of the gun-totting macho redneck culture, and if you're conservative, yo…

> One is that pickups are a weirdly-politicized lifestyle choice in the US Based on my personal experience traveling, there's a more practical reason for the political divide. I spend a good portion of my life in rural parts of the US these days, where most of the residents are pretty conservative. But these are also parts of the country where I get nervous when I'm on 1/4 tank of gas. If you're routinely out in plac…

The vast majority of truck owners do not live in these sparse / long distance situations. There just aren’t that many people as a % of the population that live that rural. Whilst a real factor for some, that is not the main reason behind the political divide over trucks.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

psunavy03 wrote: post #32
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #28

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I have heard great things about the Rivian trucks. They seem to have rabidly loyal customers, like the Teslas.

For $70-100K, I'd hope so.

From what I understand, many of these jacked-up compensator trucks cost a similar amount.

I remember when pickups were considerably cheaper than cars, but no more.

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Post by rootusrootus »

tzs wrote: post #155
ghaff wrote: post #120

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I'm guessing you're often either towing or you're doing a bunch of shortish drives for construction, etc. purposes--neither of which are a great match for electric.

How are short drives not a great match for electric?

Indeed, a bunch of short drives would be ideal. My next door neighbor owns a small construction company and he switched from a gas truck to electric, went from filling the truck twice a week to charging at home. More than paid for the truck.

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Post by xgulfie »

strawhatguy wrote: post #240

Article says the next F-150 Lightning will be an EREV-style plugin hybrid. Which, if so, makes a lot of sense. EVs are great, but not so much for trucks. I was always bothered about how cars were either supposed to be all electric or all ICE. Working together is the smart way forward.

Chevy Volt my beloved

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Post by sowbug »

dyauspitr wrote: post #121
wagwang wrote: post #65

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I wish my ev has dope perks... too bad California is dead set on making EV charging more expensive then gas lol.

Charge at home, that’s the whole point. My F150 lightning costs about $14 in electric charges a month for about 600 miles on average.

Home electricity in California is about 45¢/kWh. If your F150 mileage is typical, you're getting about 2 miles per kWh. 600 miles would cost about $135 here in California. Meanwhile, a 20 mpg gas car would cost about $110/month at $3.65/gallon.

You must be paying about 4.7 cents per kWh, or about 90% less than you'd pay here.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

90% of F-150s are daily driver grocery-getters. That was the target for the Lightning, not truck stuff.

Re: Ford kills the All-Electric F-150

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Post by rootusrootus »

kryogen1c wrote: post #132
exabrial wrote: post #43

I expected the "T word" to come out in the article, however this fails to address any of the practical reasons it isn't a good replacement for the value-engineered F-150: * The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive * They're difficult to repair. A regular F-150 is designed to be repaired; these things are designed like iPhones to be disposable. * Parts availability is scarce, contra…

This is pretty much dead on. I live in a rural part of the US and there are tons of old, worked-on trucks. The idea that there might be an all-electric f150 hanging out in 40 years is, frankly, laughable. I know a lot of city kids think trucks are some obnoxious luxury good, but they're basically a functional requirement in most of the (very large) country.

> The idea that there might be an all-electric f150 hanging out in 40 years

I should hope there is. The battery is good for 400-500K miles. The first real maintenance (which is still just flushing the coolant) happens at 200K miles. These trucks will be easier to keep on the road than you think, they're dead simple.

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Post by hirvi74 »

class3shock wrote: post #237

The F-150 is in one of the markets I think ev's will take over first (small commercial vehicles) but it just was not the right vehicle to start with. To expensive, even when the tax incentives were still a thing, and Ford suffers from having corrupt dealers taking a large cut on top of that. So you are selling to either the top 5% or bigger businesses. If you are a top 5% buying this you want it to tow your expensive…

> "tow your expensive toy somewhere which ev's suck at currently"

Do EVs suck at towing because of battery life? I thought electric engines were often superior to comparable internal combustion engines regarding torque.

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Post by dare944 »

slimebot80 wrote: post #209
exabrial wrote: post #43

I expected the "T word" to come out in the article, however this fails to address any of the practical reasons it isn't a good replacement for the value-engineered F-150: * The price isn't right for small businesses. These trucks are quite expensive * They're difficult to repair. A regular F-150 is designed to be repaired; these things are designed like iPhones to be disposable. * Parts availability is scarce, contra…

"They're loaded with useless/barely-functional interior electronics that are poor copies of Tesla" Wow, must be absolute crap if they are poor copies of Tesla, given how plastic and uncomfortable Tesla interior/ux is

My thought exactly!
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