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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by exceptione »

rcxdude wrote: post #75
exceptione wrote: post #38

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Crazy. Who would have an incentive to spend resources on DDoS'ing Codeberg? The only party I can think of would be Github. I know that the normalization of ruthlessness and winner-takes-all mentality made crime mandatory for large parts of the economy, but still cannot wrap my mind around it.

DDoS are crazy cheap now, it could be a random person for the lulz, or just as a test or demo (though I suspect Codeberg aren't a bit enough target to be impressive there).

What is cheap and what are the risks of getting caught? I can understand that for a 15 yo it might be for the lulz, but I am having a hard time to imagine that this would give street creds, and why be persistent about it. AI-bots would make more sense, but these can be dealt with.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by skeeter2020 »

jack_pp wrote: post #194
testdelacc1 wrote: post #144

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At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

there's a big gulf between being politically correct and not being a jerk. In this case the community reps can present their concern, motivation and decision without insulting people. It's also not a smart or valid comment; give me any organization over 100 people and I can find something deeply flawed that it hase produced or a very bad decision. Do I then tag everybody who currently works for that organization as "a brain-dead idiot" or similar?

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by antonvs »

cinntaile wrote: post #212
whatevaa wrote: post #198

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Linus famously was quite strict and cursed quite a bit when somebody pissed him off with stupidity.

He's not exactly a role model when it comes to communication.

Perhaps he should be. This idea that we should tolerate terrible things and only respond to them politely seems to produce bad outcomes, for some mysterious reason.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by Copenjin »

jack_pp wrote: post #194
testdelacc1 wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least he edited it to something more palatable. I vastly prefer someone who can admit to making a mistake and amending what they said to someone who doubles down. The latter attitude has become far too normalised in the last few years.

Is political correctness necessary to have a thriving community / open source project? Linux seems to be doing fine. I wouldn't personally care either way but it is non-obvious to me that the first version would actually hurt the community.

> "eager to inflict"

Eager to do what? If it sucks it sucks, but that's a very childish way to frame it, no one did anything on purpose or out of spite. That kind of silliness hurts the image of the project. But bad translation I suppose.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by bayindirh »

matrss wrote: post #74
tonyhart7 wrote: post #64

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its easier for MS to buy codeberg and close it than to spent time and money to DDOS things

How do you buy an e.V.?

Like how you buy a standards committee.

Just research about Office formats' ISO standardization process.

I'm not insinuating MicroSoft will buy Codeberg, but I just wanted to say that, they are not foreigners to the process itself.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by skeeter2020 »

xeonmc wrote: post #195
brushfoot wrote: post #139

The edit history of the announcement is quite a ride: > [2025-11-27T02:10:07Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the product have moved on to bigger and better things, with the remaining losers eager to inflict some kind of bloated, buggy JavaScript framework on us in the name of progress [1] > [2025-11-27T14:04:47Z] it’s abundantly clear that the talented folks who used to work on the…

Reads like an official White House statement[0]. [0] https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/03/yes-biden-spent-...

this seems unfair; I didn't see any terrible (both concept and execution) AI generated art accompanying their statement here.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by rcxdude »

Sammi wrote: post #86
rcxdude wrote: post #75

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DDoS are crazy cheap now, it could be a random person for the lulz, or just as a test or demo (though I suspect Codeberg aren't a bit enough target to be impressive there).

Is it because the s in iot stands for security? I'm asking genuinely. Where are these requests coming from?

I would put it down to 4 things:

- the internet's a lot bigger nowadays

- there are a lot of crappily secured iot devices

- the average household internet connection has gotten a lot faster, especially on upload bandwidth.

- there's a pile of amplification techniques which can multiply the bandwidth of an attack by using poorly-configured services.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by ryukoposting »

bit1993 wrote: post #119
mkornaukhov wrote: post #39

IMHO, the main advantage of github is that it is an ecosystem. This is a well-thought-out Swiss knife: a pioneering (but no longer new) PR system, convenient issues, as well as a well-formed CI system with many developed actions and free runners. In addition, it is best to use code navigation simply in a web browser. You write code, and almost everything works effortlessly. Having a sponsorship system is also great,…

I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

These are the only reasons I use GitHub. The familiarity to students and non-developers is also a plus.

I have no idea what the parent comment is talking about a "well-formed CI system." GitHub Actions is easily the worst CI tool I've ever used. There are no core features of GitHub that haven't been replicated by GitLab at this point, and in my estimation GitLab did all of it better. But, if I put something on GitLab, nobody sees it.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by galangalalgol »

rikroots wrote: post #168
bit1993 wrote: post #119

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I don't agree with this at all. I think the reason Github is so prominent is the social network aspects it has built around Git, which created strong network effects that most developers are unwilling to part with. Maintainers don't want to loose their stars and the users don't want to loose the collective "audit" by the github users. Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answ…

> Things like number of stars on a repository, number of forks, number of issues answered, number of followers for an account. All these things are powerful indicators of quality, and like it or not are now part of modern software engineering. I hate that this is perceived as generally true. Stars can be farmed and gamed; and the value of a star does not decay over time. Issues can be automatically closed, or answere…

Stars, issues closed, PRs, commits, all are pointless metrics.

The metrics you want are mostly ones they don't and can't have. Number of dependent projects for instance.

The metrics they keep are just what people have said, a way to gameify and keep people interested.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Post by matrss »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #211
matrss wrote: post #133

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I said e.V., not EV. Codeberg is an e.V., i.e. a "registered association" in Germany. I am not actually sure if you could technically buy an e.V., but I am 100% certain that all of the Codeberg e.V. members would not take kindly to an attempt at a hostile takeover from Microsoft. So no, buying Codeberg is not easier than DDoSing them.

they can't buy the orgs but they can buy the codeberg or its member which is basically the same thing

What do you mean by "orgs", and what do you mean by "the codeberg"?

Sure, they could try to bribe the Codeberg e.V. active members into changing its mission or disbanding the association entirely, but they would need to get a 2/3 majority at a general assembly while only the people actively involved in the e.V. and/or one of its projects can get voting rights. I find that highly unlikely to succeed.

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