In case anyone wants to actually get into this, cyberdeck development communities are a good place to start.
Really fun stuff if you have the necessary electronics knowledge!
Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop
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Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop
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Posting from a Thinkpad X61s laptop (Jan 2008) running Trisquel Linux 11. (I take your point that I would not be able to participate in this discussion using the original operating system that came with this laptop).
Apple’s support for MacOS can been shorter than their laptops longevity (the longevity of their laptops got quite bad when then tried to make them as thin as an usb-c port). So Linux support is also important there imo, and as the original post pointed out because Apple makes it so hard to for Linux to support their hardware, long-term software support may be something to think about before buying a MacBook.
MacOS is abysmal with backwards compatibility. In the music space, everything just breaks every few years. With Snow Leopard, Lion, Catalina, Sequoia. While Windows versions work forever, you're stuck having to upgrade and buy new versions of software to run on newer versions of MacOS. That's if you're lucky. Sometimes you might have no path and you need to look for new software.
Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop
#243I think the kind of laptop this person wishes should simply be made illegal to make. We cannot sustain having all electric devices being thrown after a year or two, these things need to last, to be repairable and make it easy to grab pieces and materials when they die anyway
The half-life of Apple kit is so high, they are arguably a lot more sustainable than their repairable PC counterparts. Apple laptops I have that boot include a 2007 iBook (my folks used it until this Summer and then bank websites would stop working with the Chrome browser they could get working on it), which I'll be putting a BSD or Linux distro on over Christmas, a 2012 Intel MBP that has Linux on it and a couple of…
The half life is no different. Apple doesnt use higher quality parts. Thats just perception from their premium product marketing.
Every time I see this comparison its always "My $3000 apple laptop is still usable after 5 years while my $700 chromebook is slow after 4 years".
Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop
#244Yeah why isn't anyone else making hardware for niche operating systems that is on par with a $4T luxury, bespoke hardware company's products!
Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop
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You missed my point, the original comment is stating that the market for such a device doesn't exist because developers are too finicky and customisation focussed. As a counter example - look at macbooks which are about as un-customisable as they come, but a large portion of developers use them. Meaning the market exists even if it's currently dominated by Apple (which as you/the post points out is slipping)
Not everybody use/choose macbook though. Having said that I do believe that many brands have way too mamy SKU and I widh they would be more opinionated on what they believe is better for their customers while maintaining clear and strong ethics (reliability should be #priority)
I don't recall saying everybody?
Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop
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I remember that story. I want to say it was the Soylent drink founder, but Google is steering me astray. Who was it?
I can’t find it either. It may have been him, washing machines are the kind of alternating current appliances that he avoided in preparation for living in space HN was so enamored with him when his deal was about hacking eating into being more productive by not having to chew
Found it, I think - I remember the other part about his mini stove for making tea - https://web.archive.org/web/20150803225629/http://robrhineha...
> I enjoy doing laundry about as much as doing dishes. I get my clothing custom made in China for prices you would not believe and have new ones regularly shipped to me. Shipping is a problem. I wish container ships had nuclear engines but it’s still much more efficient and convenient than retail. Thanks to synthetic fabrics it takes less water to make my clothes than it would to wash them, and I donate my used garments.
I'm sure i remember a few more details, like his claim that black t-shirts worn only once are the most stylish possible garment, but i'm willing to put that part down to the Berenstein Bears effect.
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You can absolutely put your money where your mouth is, today, right now. Upload a picture of your Framework 13 or Thinkpad T/X-series pre-T440, etc. I presume most of the people on this site make enough to make purchases based on values instead of solely economics. Alternatively, you can run for government on policies to price in externalities like this. Good luck winning your election!
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> I don’t care one bit about upgradability or customizability. After a year or two, I’m happy to throw it out and buy a new one. It’s not like upgradability is a bad thing, but it usually comes with tradeoffs to weight and power draw, and I’d rather it all be in one solid package glued together. And I don’t like customizability because I like when all the testing and polish work is put into one configuration. Jesus c…
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Could you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? You've done it repeatedly in this thread, unfortunately, and we're trying for the opposite here.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
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Could you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? You've done it repeatedly in this thread, unfortunately, and we're trying for the opposite here.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Re: Bikeshedding, or why I want to build a laptop
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Could you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? You've done it repeatedly in this thread, unfortunately, and we're trying for the opposite here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
That's unfair. I'm going unfairly called out even though I stand by my beliefs and I'm only trying to defend myself. How are the replies to my comments in any way acceptable and according to HN guidelines???
"Put your money where your mouth is", come on. That's not acceptable and it's provoking. How can you defend bullies like this?