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Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by nabla9 »

pleasecloselid wrote: post #17
nabla9 wrote: post #7

I hope people realize that paying for streaming is optional. vpn is all you need to pay for.

Have you tried using a VPN? I installed the free ProtonVPN I got with protonmail and half the internet stops working. VPNs look like bots with high exit traffic so they are blocked. Plus countries are cracking down on exit nodes.

I actually have ProtonVPN works fine. But if that's problem for you:

1. You can use VPN only when you need to use it.

2. "split tunnening" You can configure VPN to be used only for some programs, like those you use torrenting programs.

3. You can build your own mini-PC/RasPi "TV box" with VPN, storage for programming, connected to television. I wonder if there is not already ready software package for that.

Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by sixtyj »

Aeolun wrote: post #10

What about what he said was so controversial? It seems entirely in line with everything else I’ve seen happen on these kinds of shows.

And the second wave of subscription cancellations will be from people who are upset with Disney+ decision… Smart move of executive :) /s

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Post by willmarch »

yieldcrv wrote: post #202
nerdponx wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't controversial, but this is literally the textbook Manufacturing Consent model. The small number of people in positions of power at the network are either overtly aligned with the president that he just talked bad about, or want to stay or get on the president's good side. He doesn't even need to pick up the phone or post anything on social media, they know what they need to do.

I think most commenters are missing that a local broadcaster monopoly used their own freedom of association to drop the show The FCC and Trump merely dogpiled on this For Disney, they need to court the broadcaster monopoly as a key stakeholder to their revenue, this is all private sector and not a constitutional issue But when Disney is getting kicked and then an expensive fight with the government looms while their…

The FCC and Trump "merely" dogpiling on is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment of the United States Constitution and should be condemned by all.

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Post by bluGill »

Cheer2171 wrote: post #198
bluGill wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone can say anything. Follow through and abc can just ignore the order and tell everyone watching what is happening. They have the power of the pen and will get people running to their congressman. they blinked so we will never know.

You seem to be saying that what happened is fine because it never actually got to a truly unconstitutional or get-in-the-streets worthy level of censorship. You seem to be saying if they actually revoked the license, that would be the red line. But because they never did, no harm, no foul. What we are saying is that just by making the threat, the censorship has full and complete effect. They don't need to revoke the…

It is not fine. I'm saying they should have had the guts to fight

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Post by willmarch »

rdtsc wrote: post #229
brendoelfrendo wrote: post #221

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What hoax or false info? Also, Kimmel isn't a journalist or news reporter and his show isn't broadcast journalism. As far as obscenity rules, the rules don't necessarily apply between 10pm and 6am; "obscene" material is not allowed at any time of day, but "indecent" material is allowed on late-night television. These are terms that have specific meaning in the context of the law, and what Kimmel said would in no way…

So why did the network fold so quickly? It's a simple enough explanation "we not journalists, these are all made up jokes and parodies, we send our condolences to the family ... etc". They folded because they knew how the statement was perceived. Here is half the country flying flags half staff and ABC owners are defending Kimmel. They are worried about views and profits and when that is threatened everything goes ou…

No, they folded because the United States Federal government threatened them. That fact is the only thing that should matter in this discussion. This is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment by the government against protected speech (no matter how many people find that protected speech distasteful).

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Post by willmarch »

rdtsc wrote: post #185
pseudalopex wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"[g]overnment officials cannot attempt to coerce private parties in order to punish or suppress views that the government disfavors"[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association_of_...

The executive branch controls the FCC which controls broadcasting licenses. Specifically broadcast journalism over the air is controlled https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/public-and-broadcasting#JOUR... Note: > Nevertheless, there are two issues related to broadcast journalism that are subject to Commission regulation: hoaxes and news distortion. Hoaxes. The broadcast by a station of false information concerning a crim…

The US government threatened a private company in an attempt to suppress speech that is protected under the 1st Amendment from government interference. This is a violation of the US Constitution. Full stop.

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Post by [deleted] »

bluGill wrote: post #125
Cheer2171 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FCC chair literally said "We can do this the easy way or the hard way" the easy way being ABC cancelling it, the hard way being pulling the license. And if you wait for the license to be pulled as your red line, you misunderstand how this works. This is an actual threat, the kind of thing that mobsters get RICO charges for. The threat has done its work and served the purposes of the administration. The crime has alre…

Anyone can say anything. Follow through and abc can just ignore the order and tell everyone watching what is happening. They have the power of the pen and will get people running to their congressman. they blinked so we will never know.

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Re: Disney+ cancellation page crashes as customers rush to quit

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Post by throw0101a »

bluGill wrote: post #245
Cheer2171 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be saying that what happened is fine because it never actually got to a truly unconstitutional or get-in-the-streets worthy level of censorship. You seem to be saying if they actually revoked the license, that would be the red line. But because they never did, no harm, no foul. What we are saying is that just by making the threat, the censorship has full and complete effect. They don't need to revoke the…

It is not fine. I'm saying they should have had the guts to fight

> It is not fine. I'm saying they should have had the guts to fight

Yes they should have. But ideally we should live in a society that guts aren't necessary because threats are not made, especially from the government.

It's the second part that's the everyone is really worried about.

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