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Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

Yet another "it's okay if I move there, but now that they have moved there, it sucks and is 'foreign'" take. It just reads like thinly veiled racism.

> It just reads like thinly veiled racism.

Thinly veiled? What veil - it's completely naked, one can clearly see all the constituent parts, including the repugnant bits.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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There is some more context on a post[1] in /r/ruby, including the fact that the maintainers and others had been working on a proposal[2] for a formalized organizational governance structure as recently as yesterday. The latter also adds some context into Mike McQuaid's involvement: the proposal was influenced by the structure put in place by the Homebrew project. [1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/1nkzszc/ru…

Also notable reply from DHH: "Ruby Central has been the RubyGems maintainer and operator since the beginning. They paid people to work on it (including this now disgruntled former contractor). They're improving their practices and protocols. This is good." https://x.com/dhh/status/1969168477475786830

A bit of useful context for DHH’s response: he’s had beef with at least one of these maintainers before, and tried to get him removed from stuff.

As André Arko’s employer at his day job at the time, I was tangential to it, so I don’t know all the details, and my memory is imperfect.

But as I understand it, DHH either organized or was part of a group of prominent rubyists who wrote a letter to the Board of Directors of the trade guild (or some other similar unusual non-profit structure) that André had organized to help get funding to support the open source work he and some others did for Ruby infrastructure like Bundler and/or Rubygems. I don’t know the exact terms of the sanctions they sought, but in the end it resulted in his orgs work getting folded into RubyCentral, iirc.

For some reason it seems they disapproved of how André had found a way to get paid for working on open source. He was managing to pay himself and some other people a good wage for part-time open source work. He was even managing to get a bit more diversity involved in it than a lot of Ruby open source infra work typically has (employing a black trans woman SE as part of this). Whatever their actual motivations they disapproved of André founding his own org and running it as he did.

The irony of their most prominent signatory getting rich off open source, via a different less direct avenue of monetization seemed entirely lost on them.

Anyway, I think it blew up in their face and things got settled out into what the status quo of rubygems maintenance was since then.

Now, I’ve heard rumors that perhaps this is actually related. RubyCentral has had a rough few years and DHH has more than a little pull with at least one of their largest funders.

It’d be incredibly petty to do something like dangling funding in front of RC if they’d finish icing out maintainers that he didn’t see eye to eye with. But it would certainly fit the way the events happened. I don’t know anything directly enough to swear by this and wouldn’t want to implicate anyone even if I did.

But I guess look at the known character of the people involved and draw your own conclusions. Does this seem in character to prior behaviors?

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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post #225

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The real question is who isn't American? When someone says "X is for Xes" they are implicitly saying "and not for Ys". If you don't believe that's the case, then tell me exactly what that phrase means other than to exclude some group. To claim "these are not real Americans".

Totally dodging the issue. You claimed "white supremacist" was an accurate title, cited Nazis who invaded other countries and eradicated the local culture/population/racial groups without assimilating (eerily similar to mass immigration), and then immediately moved the goalposts when it was illustrated how ignorant such a statement could be. > who isn't American? Is this a trick question? People who were not born in…

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Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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it's the professional management class at it again see: mozilla, nominet (recovered, thankfully)

Mozilla is toast. It basically exists as a tax writeoff for Google at this point, and serves no recognizable purpose beyond that, and maybe nostalgia. How MBAs aren't synonymous with leeches by this point is the most amazing ongoing PR campaign in history. They do nothing but suck and suck and suck, and they keep sucking, and they will never stop sucking until their host dies, and then they just move on.

Widespread recognition of what you said about MBAs is synonymous with class consciousness, which won't happen.

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post #180

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Inaction is a manifestation of one of two things: ignorance, or conscious decision to not act. I agree that strictly only the latter can be considered an act, while the former .. well. Not an act, but a then the question arises if an unconscious person can even be considered a person _in_relation_to_having_a_conversation_with_them_. That last point I must even more press. I think this is what we are discussing. Pleas…

> Inaction is a manifestation of one of two things: ignorance, or conscious decision to not act. Under which of these categories would you classify the following assertion: > As much as I've learned about subject X, I still feel that neither I — nor most people who are already acting, for that matter — truly have enough information to take an informed stance here, as the waters are being actively clouded by propagand…

Like they already said, it's either true ignorance or it's a deliberate choice of wilful ignorance - or it's a conscious decision to feign ignorance. The latter is something that a lot of people do in order to escape accountability for their beliefs, and that has to be taken into consideration, and the previous comment didn't mention that possibility.

If someone doesn't know enough about an issue to care and also doesn't know the things that would motivate them to find out more about the issue that would make them care, that is true ignorance.

If someone doesn't know about an issue and deliberately avoids exposing themselves to things that would care, then it's a deliberate choice.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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While it's jarring to see someone call DHH a "white supremacist", the shoe fits. In that blog post he laments that London is "no longer full of native Brits" (what does that even mean? It's clear by the numbers he gives that he's counting "white people born in Britain") and frames demographic change as a "nightmare". That isn't neutral nostalgia (something he's claimed he doesn't have: https://world.hey.com/dhh/legac…

And yet the comment is flagged. On HN, you may not call anyone a white supremacist for any reason, ever.

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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Look I don't even know what sides the various actors in this spat would see themselves on so don't consider what I'm about to say as an endorsement of their beliefs because I don't know what they are. That being said the freedom of (non-)association is one of the few non-violent means to signal your disapproval of someone else in a way that actually matters. The fact that folks are insulated from the consequences of…

i agree with all that

but the stuff we're seeing is akin to not liking the same flavor of ice cream

soft, mild, first-world problems

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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post #99

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While it's jarring to see someone call DHH a "white supremacist", the shoe fits. In that blog post he laments that London is "no longer full of native Brits" (what does that even mean? It's clear by the numbers he gives that he's counting "white people born in Britain") and frames demographic change as a "nightmare". That isn't neutral nostalgia (something he's claimed he doesn't have: https://world.hey.com/dhh/legac…

I can't reply to the parent any more because it's flagged, so I'll reply to you, because I need to get this out.

Overtime I gave him so much benefit of the doubt, and steelmanned his arguments because I really respected him as a Software Engineer and I aligned with him on his views in technology... But that blog post was the last straw. It's clear-as-day racism. No room for misinterpretation.

I was willing to overlook his remarks about DEI, Trump, Kirk, etc.... because there were nuggets of truth and genuine pain points.. but it turns out he was a racist, white supremacists all along. Sigh...

Re: Ruby Central's Attack on RubyGems [pdf]

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> Why did you include that list of sponsors at the bottom of your post? The paragraph immediately preceding the list begins with a sentence mentioning the sponsors. How did you not see this? > What's with the "contingent on employment status or ideological alignment" bit about? That's not been mentioned anywhere else so far. “not been mentioned anywhere else” is false. If you click on the PDF linked to in this very p…

I'm quick to question precisely because I can see LLM telltale hints in the text - in this case the "not just X but Y" pattern. I don't mind if it's LLM-assisted text if everything in it is a reviewed and accurate representation of the point the author is trying to make. But if the LLM throws in extra junk tha distracts from the conversation and the author fails to catch that in review, that's bad. I think it's likel…

There is no “extra junk that distracts from the conversation” in the post you’re responding to, and I and others are trying to point that out to you. You don’t seem to be responding to those points much if at all.
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