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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by stevage »

bitmasher9 wrote: post #166
OGEnthusiast wrote: post #160

The reason Liquid Glass on macOS specifically is getting so much blowback is that it isn't just updating the translucency effect with the new glass refraction effect - they've also increased the border radius of most windows, increased paddings in toolbars, sidebars, etc. and overall made the UI much less information-dense, which is wild for a desktop OS. If they had just changed the translucency effect, I think this…

I feel like every macOS update has been worse than the last, since like 2015-2018 or so. Still, their only real competition is Windows 11, which isn’t well received either.

Yeah me too. I think I liked Mavericks or Yosemite or something and have pretty much hated every upgrade since.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by ubercow13 »

dsego wrote: post #181
Crontab wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So far the only thing bothering me so far is the way the tabs look (in Finder and Safari). And I did turn on the menu bar background.

Have the tabs in Finder always been slow to appear? Right now there is a noticeable delay from when I press cmd+tab to when tab animates itself into existence, reminds me of lag in windows 11.

It seems instant to me?

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by sylens »

heavyset_go wrote: post #125
12_throw_away wrote: post #79

I swear I don't usually complain about UI styling updates, because it's usually not a big deal - but this looks really, really bad [1]. It's less functional with bizarre transparency choices destroying legibility, and big rounded corners taking up more dead space. And stylistically, the layouts just look unbalanced and amateurish (It reminds me of what happens when I attempt to do CSS layouts). Most Linux desktops un…

Windows Aero is back

Aero was peak HCI compared to this

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by stevage »

rcleveng wrote: post #156

I always considered the butterfly keyboard[1] the point at which Apple's design system jumped the shark as it focused on it's own aesthetics vs. building quality and reliable products. Funny enough, it's the only time period since 1999 that I was apple free for a while. My MBP broke. I've previously had a butterfly keyboard on my work mac, and it got replaced on a regular bases. While unfortunate for a work computer,…

> I always considered the butterfly keyboard[1] the point at which Apple's design system jumped the shark as it focused on it's own aesthetics vs. building quality and reliable products.

This statement describes pretty much every mouse Apple ever made, from the circular ones to the horrendous magic mouse with charging port underneath.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by OGEnthusiast »

llm_nerd wrote: post #205
fridder wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is an alternative to the m-series that lets me keep the battery life I'd jump ship. The m-series chips are just so good though

You'd jump ship because of the .0 release of Tahoe? Really? People get a little hysterical about things like this. You know you don't have to upgrade to it, right? They'll support Sequoia for years, and you could even be running Sonoma if you wanted. The response to this design is likely to be so overwhelmingly negative that we'll see a lot of subtle retreats in the point releases going forward, and when the macOS 7…

It's not just Tahoe though, there have been more and more UX papercuts over the years.

Here's an example of one such UI regression, that started with Big Sur and now got slightly worse in Tahoe (written by someone who is very knowledgeable about macOS): https://eclecticlight.co/2025/06/15/last-week-on-my-mac-fide...

Is cropping PDFs to rounded corners (without a way to disable it) enough to get someone to switch to another OS? Probably not, but it's still IMO a UI regression regardless.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by 827a »

smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

Yeah similar situation here. I've been running it since basically the day after WWDC, and I've just had this sinking feeling that its so bad, they wouldn't be able to fix it before release. Or, they don't even view it as something that needs fixing.

I'll begrudgingly get a couple more years out of this personal M2 Air, but my engineering team is prepping to do upgrades on some older M1 Pros we've had since launch, and after seeing Tahoe, the CTO and I formed a plan to give devs the option of getting either an M4 Pro or a Framework. We haven't launched yet, but I think a solid number of our engineers are going to opt for the Framework, hopefully as high as half.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dsego »

veeti wrote: post #179
12_throw_away wrote: post #79

I swear I don't usually complain about UI styling updates, because it's usually not a big deal - but this looks really, really bad [1]. It's less functional with bizarre transparency choices destroying legibility, and big rounded corners taking up more dead space. And stylistically, the layouts just look unbalanced and amateurish (It reminds me of what happens when I attempt to do CSS layouts). Most Linux desktops un…

Imagine if Steve saw this... https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/tahoe...

I had the same issue on first start, the icons had to load while I was scrolling.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by ubercow13 »

bayindirh wrote: post #119
markdog12 wrote: post #107

Whoa, you can now search clipboard history. Go to Spotlight Search, Command+4. You'll get a list of entries, each with a copy button, and is searchable. Even shows the app it was copied in.

At last Apple implemented a decent clipboard history. KDE has this thing for a decade now, I guess... KDE also can encode entries as QR codes, so you can make URLs transferable to your phone or whatnot. -- Sent from my MacBook Air.

More like, almost 3 decades.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by alana314 »

ksec wrote: post #4

Any actual interesting changes under the hood other than UI changes? I cant remember the last time macOS release that actually brings any useful feature I use.

TextEdit has a styling toolbar now which I appreciate. The new spotlight has more functionality and seems faster (and less likely to pull up a website instead of the app I'm trying to launch)

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by nailer »

rcleveng wrote: post #156

I always considered the butterfly keyboard[1] the point at which Apple's design system jumped the shark as it focused on it's own aesthetics vs. building quality and reliable products. Funny enough, it's the only time period since 1999 that I was apple free for a while. My MBP broke. I've previously had a butterfly keyboard on my work mac, and it got replaced on a regular bases. While unfortunate for a work computer,…

> Funny enough, it's the only time period since 1999 that I was apple free for a while.

Same here. After the butterfly keyboard era, I spent about 5 years with Windows 10/11 and powershell, then WSL. There's still a lot of annoyance in the Windows space (NTFS is slow due to all the filesystem filters), but Linux package managers are much better than homebrew and WSL does make Windows a pretty reasonable developer system. I'm back on the MacOS now but I wouldn't hate a nice Windows machine.

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