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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by munksbeer »

Tixx7 wrote: post #224
Humorist2290 wrote: post #10

> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…

Its obviously not broadly announced, they're silently trying to push it through. But its also fatigue, Chat Control or the same thing under a different name is a thing the EU has been trying to push for a couple years. Every time the internet complains, somtimes on a larger scale, sometimes just the privacy niche and until now it luckily has always failed because not enough member states agreed on it. They will try u…

> Chat Control or the same thing under a different name is a thing the EU

Correction, not the EU, the member nations.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by munksbeer »

moffkalast wrote: post #19
Humorist2290 wrote: post #10

> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…

We've been mostly deplatformed for any kind of organized action against it, there's just writing an email to your MEP or... a change.org petition. Yes really. Nothing official one could sign their name under. But even so, the commission does whatever it wants anyway, they are complete autocrats when it comes to law proposal, it's up to the parliament and the courts to something about it afterwards. And they should gi…

> But even so, the commission does whatever it wants anyway, they are complete autocrats when it comes to law proposal

For anyone reading this drivel, this is a complete misrepresentation of how the EU works. The commission changes and is appointed by the elected heads of the member nations to do their bidding. The push for chat control is coming from the member nations, not some "evil mysterious third party" that appeared out of nowhere to control us all.

People who don't understand the EU and resort to blaming it for these sort of problems are actually causing more harm, because they're directing people's anger at the wrong targets. Target your own elected officials, because they are the ones pushing for this and the ones who steer the commission.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by munksbeer »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #234
thw_9a83c wrote: post #94

As both an EU citizen and a computer programmer, I applaud this article, and I generally agree with its sentiment. But let's be realistic. Chat control is going to happen sooner or later. This is a Hacker News forum. The audience here is very knowledgeable about computer science and fully aware of how technologically impractical the idea of fighting CSAM in this way is. But the general public is somewhere else entire…

Why be so hopeless? Especially when the people that push these things are so brazen

If someone states their opinion on something, it shouldn't be turned around as them being hopeless.

When we know that a particular political party will win an election, stating that fact isn't being hopeless. It just is what it is.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by munksbeer »

seneca wrote: post #82
piker wrote: post #67

It seems like the golden age of freedom is behind us for now, and we’re going to descend for a while back into nationalism and authoritarianism

While I agree with you about rising authoritarianism, I'm confused what this has to do with nationalism. Chat Control is being created by the EU, a supranational organization. If anything, this sort of transnational authoritarianism is a bigger threat, and likely to promote nationalist backlash.

> Chat Control is being created by the EU, a supranational organization

It is not. It is being pushed by certain politicians from certain member nations onto the commission.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by fbhabbed »

tormeh wrote: post #70
jonaharagon wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally. This is exactly the problem with things like Chat Control in the EU and KOSA in the US. They will just introduce the same bill over and over and over again until they get the desired result. What we need is for legislatures to pass "NO Chat Control" and "NO KOSA" bills that specifically block this behavior, but unsurprisingly governments don't seem to be too keen about limiting their own rights, only those o…

You mean enshrine a right to messaging privacy in a constitution? That's going to be difficult.

We already have a such thing in Italy - Constitution (the highest hierarchy in law here), article 15.

Since decades.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by fbhabbed »

puppycodes wrote: post #119
petertodd wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chat control will require client-side AI scanning of all messages, bypassing end-to-end encryption. Since the AI will be an unauditable blackbox, it will make it effectively illegal to have secure end-to-end encryption. Yes, it is that fascist.

I predict a massive uptick in linux use

If this becomes a widespread way to bypass this, wouldn't they just pass a law to make Linux usage illegal unless you install some module?

I mean, look at all the geniuses saying "I'll just use a VPN" in response to the latest ID for age verification. A week later, the law was amended to also involve VPNs.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by fbhabbed »

MaKey wrote: post #49

I emailed all MEPs for my country one month ago. Apart from out-of-office notices I didn't get anything back yet.

You will eventually get a canned AI made reply (just like all the canned AI mails they have received these days due to websites creating templates for them).

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by fbhabbed »

77pt77 wrote: post #9

For those complaining the article doesn't explain at the very begining what it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb... EU's latest attempt to squash privacy rights.

Even the title of that Wikipedia page is misleading and choosen in a way that almost forces your opinion on this (you can't be against a regulation made for such a noble intent, can you?)

Why not just call the page Chat Control 2.0?

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by 77pt77 »

fbhabbed wrote: post #248
77pt77 wrote: post #9

For those complaining the article doesn't explain at the very begining what it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_to_Prevent_and_Comb... EU's latest attempt to squash privacy rights.

Even the title of that Wikipedia page is misleading and choosen in a way that almost forces your opinion on this (you can't be against a regulation made for such a noble intent, can you?) Why not just call the page Chat Control 2.0?

It's not the official name.

I'm surprised nazi is not part of the title like it has in the past at the national level.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by KetoManx64 »

godelski wrote: post #228
reactordev wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The news outlet

In the moment, yes. In the long run, no.

Majority of news outlets have government subsidies of one sort or another, I wouldn't be surprised if those are the things keeping a lot of the legacy outlets in the green.
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