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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by nottorp »

NiloCK wrote: post #137
conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

Do the people in this corner use compilers? Would they agree that programmers who don't use them* have been replaced by those that do? *: I'm aware of cases like the recent ffmpg assembly usage that gave a big performance boost. When talking about industrial trend lines, I'm OK with admitting 0.001% exceptions. (Apologies if it comes across as snarky or pat, but I honestly think the comparison is reasonable.)

> Do the people in this corner use compilers? Would they agree that programmers who don't use them* have been replaced by those that do?

Are you aware compilers are deterministic most of the time?

If a compiler had a 10% chance of erasing your code instead of generating an executable you'd see more people still using assembly.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by drw85 »

aeon_ai wrote: post #69
conartist6 wrote: post #32

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

AI isn't a stylistic preference or minor enhancement, but cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for. Just as the developer who refused to adopt version control, IDEs, or Stack Overflow eventually became unemployable , those who reject tools that fundamentally expand their problem-solving capacity will find themselves unable to compete with those…

I think this is a somewhat short sighted perspective. It's not really augmenting, but replacing cognition.

I see people starting to unlearn working by themselves rapidly and becoming dependant on GPT, making themselves quite useless in the process. They no longer understand what they're working with and need the help from the tool to work. They're also entirely helpless when whatever 'AI' tool they use can't fix their problem.

This makes them both more replaceable and less marketable than before.

It will have and already has a huge impact. But it's kinda like the offshoring hype from a decade ago. Everyone moved their dev departments to a cheaper country, only to later realize that maybe cheap does not always mean better or even good. And it comes with a short term gain and a long term loss.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by tsoukase »

Insanity wrote: post #107
OtherShrezzing wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might not have noticed in all the frustration, but you got overcharged. 170 + 20% VAT is 204, not 206.50. Maybe they added a card fee in at the end, but if they didn’t make that abundantly clear, they’ve broken a law in most countries which use the Euro.

Why 20% VAT? Different EU countries have different tax brackets, so OP might not have had 20%.

Probably because VAT_floor(206.5/170)=20

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by Aurornis »

cedws wrote: post #111

There’s only one way unlimited plans work: either the seller gets scammed, or the buyer does. When companies sell unlimited plans, they’re making a bet that the average usage across all of those plans will be low enough to turn a profit. These people “abusing” the plan are well within their right to use the API as much as they want. It just didn’t fall into the parameters Anthropic had expected. LLM subscriptions nee…

> When companies sell unlimited plans,

Anthropic never sold an unlimited plan

It’s amazing that so many people think there was an unlimited plan. There was not an unlimited plan.

> These people “abusing” the plan are well within their right to use the API as much as they want. It just didn’t fall into the parameters Anthropic had expected.

Correct! And they did. And now Anthropic is changing those limits in a month.

> LLM subscriptions need to go away, why can’t we just pay as we go? It’s the fairest way for everyone.

This exists. You use the API. It has always been an option. Again, I’m confused about why there’s so much anger about something that already exists.

The subscriptions are nice for people who want a consistent fee and they get the advantage of a better deal for occasional heavy usage.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by danielbln »

jennyholzer wrote: post #99
TrackerFF wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is great to take pride in ones craft, but in the end it comes down to this: We create software for users. If the user can't feel any difference in quality between human made software, or AI made software, then it does not mater. It is that easy. If AI makes better software, at lower prices, human developers will become obsolete. It is the natural way of life. Once we had telephone operators, now we don't.…

I make better software because I don't think like this.

That's wonderful, I hope someone will continue to pay you for it, and not go for the 80% solution that is 1000x cheaper. If you're a deeply specialized IC, you're probably good. If you write the perfect, elegant, hand-set code to do CRUD or implement run-of-the-mill business logic, probably not.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by tonyhart7 »

boleary-gl wrote: post #199
victorbjorklund wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure that is how many photographers felt about digital cameras and photo editing software when it first came. Now very few professional photographers work without digital cameras and photo editing software (even if it is just to tweak some colors). Yes, you will still have some artists making money with purely analog cameras without any touch up but they are a tiny minority of the photographers getting paid for t…

It's probably true in our industry too - I'm sure that when people started using programming languages instead of writing machine code people looked down on them too. This will be another abstraction layer that MANY people will use and be able to accomplish things that would have been impossible to do in a reasonable amount of time in machine code.

good think that those abstraction layer break all the time eg: javascript ecosystem

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by [deleted] »

thevueguy wrote: post #184

Lol, this article was written with AI. The clues are everywhere. > The real damage: You're not frustrating 5% of users—you're breaking trust with the exact people who drive growth and adoption. > When developers get "rate limit exceeded" while debugging at 2 AM, they're not thinking about your infrastructure costs—they're shopping for alternatives. Notice a pattern here?

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by tonyhart7 »

benterix wrote: post #133
mentalgear wrote: post #10

E.g.: Apple's new "iCare" offers "unlimited" repairs by subscribing for 20 USD / month! - note: "unlimited" does not mean free. quote source: "Apple Just Found a Way to Sell You Nothing" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytkk5NFZGjs

That's crazy, I misinterpreted just like others, that you pay a monthly but repairs are free. But on re-reading the terms, it turns out this is just pure bullshit. Why would anyone buy this "new iCare"?!

apple fanboy/fangirl

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by Aurornis »

Aeolun wrote: post #121
cedws wrote: post #111

There’s only one way unlimited plans work: either the seller gets scammed, or the buyer does. When companies sell unlimited plans, they’re making a bet that the average usage across all of those plans will be low enough to turn a profit. These people “abusing” the plan are well within their right to use the API as much as they want. It just didn’t fall into the parameters Anthropic had expected. LLM subscriptions nee…

> LLM subscriptions need to go away, why can’t we just pay as we go? It’s the fairest way for everyone. Because Claude Code is absolutely impossible to use without a subscription? I’m fine with being limited, but I’m not with having to pay more than $200/month Anybody that feels they’re not getting enough out of their subscription is welcome to use API instead.

> Because Claude Code is absolutely impossible to use without a subscription?

Claude Code accepts an API key. You do not need a subscription

https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/claude-code/settings#envi...

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Post by tsoukase »

TrackerFF wrote: post #23

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

All-you-can-eat allowance at restaurans comes to mind
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