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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by bbwbsb »

0x1ceb00da wrote: post #78

One thing this will do is disincentivize high functioning autists from identifying themselves as autists, which is a very good thing IMO. Just look at this channel https://www.youtube.com/@NationalAutisticSoc/videos . There is a lot of survivor-ship bias on this channel towards high functioning autists who can talk in front of a camera. Just to give an idea to those not familiar with the difference between high funct…

Yup, these people are perfectly fine. They don't need to identify each other and band together. No one is targeting them[0]. They need to stop making mountains out of molehills[1]. It's not like anything bad has ever happened to these 'high functioning' whiners[2]. I mean who cares if they are 'treated' by withholding food to force them to pretend to not be traumatized[3]. They should understand that if they stop identifying with the label or as oppressed victims it will be better for them[4]. Just like all those people with drapetomania[5] who don't realize what's best is a tough hand to guide them. Don't you miss how things used to be?[6] Back when there was more tough love[7].

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0: lol

1: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-truth-about-h...

2: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9087551/

3: https://autisticadvocacy.org/policy/briefs/intervention-ethi...

4: citing a source for this one would be an insult to the reader's intelligence

5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania

6: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_pot

7: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dully

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by MattGrommes »

rayiner wrote: post #221
47282847 wrote: post #55

It’s interesting to muse about the larger picture here. What is it that makes autism so dangerous? To me it looks like part of an almost spiritual war against empathy/compassion by traumatized individuals trying to fight their own Jungian Shadow.

Fixing diseases and abnormalities in humans is empathy and compassion.

The problem is not fixing diseases. The problem is what is defined as a disease or abnormality. The problem is people who are clearly choosing abnormalities based on politics, power grabs, and anti-science rhetoric.

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by [deleted] »

gruez wrote: post #132
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't someone recently mention that "The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy"? Sounds familiar...

That quote was massively taken out of context. His argument was that the west has too much empathy, not that empathy is bad, period. He even specifically prefaced that with saying that empathy is a good thing.

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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by hollandheese »

coldtea wrote: post #129
notimetorelax wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn’t know who that was, so googled. Apparently, Musk said that.

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Even autistic people can be jerks. Elon Musk doesn't have empathy because he's an asshole not because he's autistic.

No one I've heard is saying Musk is an asshole because he's autistic. It's Musk himself that's making that claim by attempting to use it as a cover for his asshole moves.

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #221
47282847 wrote: post #55

It’s interesting to muse about the larger picture here. What is it that makes autism so dangerous? To me it looks like part of an almost spiritual war against empathy/compassion by traumatized individuals trying to fight their own Jungian Shadow.

Fixing diseases and abnormalities in humans is empathy and compassion.

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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by hollandheese »

rayiner wrote: post #239
throw16180339 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your comparison makes no sense. Bangladeshi Americans, as a group, are normal and healthy. They don't suffer from a medical condition that could be cured. I was trying to give you a sense of why I interpret his comments as a threat. He's described all of us as if we're a burden when I've been supporting myself for decades. Some autistics would want a cure, but others feel that their perspective is equally as valid…

And I'm saying you shouldn't compare people of different ethnicities to people with medical conditions. I'm normal where I'm from. My skin color is an adaptation to the tropical climate I'm from. It's not a medical condition that's maladaptive to normal functioning, or something that ideally we could cure. Your use of the term "eugenics" is nonsensically broad. Society should seek to cure diseases and maladaptive med…

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Post by kelipso »

whattheheckheck wrote: post #240
rayiner wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm saying you shouldn't compare people of different ethnicities to people with medical conditions. I'm normal where I'm from. My skin color is an adaptation to the tropical climate I'm from. It's not a medical condition that's maladaptive to normal functioning, or something that ideally we could cure. Your use of the term "eugenics" is nonsensically broad. Society should seek to cure diseases and maladaptive med…

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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by rayiner »

hollandheese wrote: post #246
rayiner wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm saying you shouldn't compare people of different ethnicities to people with medical conditions. I'm normal where I'm from. My skin color is an adaptation to the tropical climate I'm from. It's not a medical condition that's maladaptive to normal functioning, or something that ideally we could cure. Your use of the term "eugenics" is nonsensically broad. Society should seek to cure diseases and maladaptive med…

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Reducing the incidence of undesirable or maladaptive medical conditions is a good thing. That's why we have vaccines, for example. That's why we perform second trimester screening, for example.

Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by [deleted] »

ReptileMan wrote: post #70
47282847 wrote: post #55

It’s interesting to muse about the larger picture here. What is it that makes autism so dangerous? To me it looks like part of an almost spiritual war against empathy/compassion by traumatized individuals trying to fight their own Jungian Shadow.

>What is it that makes autism so dangerous? That the parents of severe cases eventually pass away and unless they figure out to take the kid with them, he is condemned at best to a life in mental health institutions - and usually they make One Flew Upon Cuckoo's Nest look like Teletubbies. Add to that more and more people are single kids and usually born out of geriatric pregnancy (which also increases the chances of…

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Re: U.S. autism data project sparks uproar over ethics, privacy and intent

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Post by [deleted] »

threatofrain wrote: post #182
0x1ceb00da wrote: post #78

One thing this will do is disincentivize high functioning autists from identifying themselves as autists, which is a very good thing IMO. Just look at this channel https://www.youtube.com/@NationalAutisticSoc/videos . There is a lot of survivor-ship bias on this channel towards high functioning autists who can talk in front of a camera. Just to give an idea to those not familiar with the difference between high funct…

About a fourth of kids diagnosed with autism have IQ at 75 or below.

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