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Post by qingcharles »

qingcharles wrote: post #143
mplewis wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... Everything felt like it was meant to break you. Nothing was explained to us. I wasn’t given a phone call. We were locked in a room, no daylight, with no idea when we would get out.

I just did 10 straight years of this. No daylight is common if the facility is strapped for land to build outdoor areas, or is inside a city where looking in or out would be discouraged. The hand towels they give you for showering suck. I tried suing over those, but even though there is a statute saying they must be bath towels, laws in the USA don't necessarily have to be followed. There are two types of laws, manda…

https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/illinois/Ill-Admin-C...

"The towel shall be made of cloth and be bath size."

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Post by mdhb »

jeltz wrote: post #237
HexDecOctBin wrote: post #235

@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.

[flagged]

And dang refuses to recognise that there is any kind of problem with this. Just tells people with a straight face to assume everyone is acting in good faith and that you shouldn’t ever question that assumption for the sake of harmony.

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Post by praptak »

bloppe wrote: post #194

This website mixes some very real and very big problems (erosion of basic freedoms and rights in the US) with some entirely hallucinated ones (concentration camps for people with ADHD, and torture ? I'd certainly want to learn more about that than a passing mention). Personally I think the hyperbole only serves to cheapen the real problems.

Solitary confinement is torture: https://phr.org/our-work/resources/endless-nightmare-solitar...

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Post by mmooss »

cma wrote: post #21
mmooss wrote: post #15

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> yet it was actually no threat at all to US security or even NY security, beyond ~two buildings. If we're talking about carried out threat and not achieved aims: there were more than those two flights and more than those two buildings targeted. And even if you are talking about achieved aims only: the Pentagon was hit as well if you are forgetting that or maybe that just belongs in the '~'. In fact more than two bui…

I should have thought more carefully and included the DC buildings, but it's still only a few buildings and thousands of people. And that took an enormous amount of planning, plus luck, etc. He was never going to take over the US, defeat the US military, or endanger more people than the flu.

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Post by GeoAtreides »

HexDecOctBin wrote: post #235

@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.

there is another, better UI for HN: https://hn.algolia.com/ set it for the last 24 hours and enjoy uncensored content

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Post by oefrha »

leftcenterright wrote: post #230
oefrha wrote: post #7

Reminds me of [1] from 2013, and [2][3] from 2017. This is not new at all, just affecting more people, and more importantly, more Western people now. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientist... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369233 Clarification: the “not new” part is foreign attendees not being able to attend conferences in the U.S…

Being detained is way worse than being denied entry. > I was then placed in a real jail unit: two levels of cells surrounding a common area, just like in the movies. I was put in a tiny cell alone with a bunk bed and a toilet. > The best part: there were blankets. After three days without one, I wrapped myself in mine and finally felt some comfort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... How i…

That exact same article says someone has been tossed around in that system for ten months. That’s just someone among the 100-200 people they met. That same article even has photos of the system from the 2000s. There’s a photo of people sleeping on the floor wrapped in the exact kind of aluminum sheet “blankets” dated 2014. It’s been going on for very long. (Btw, I suspect it’s only getting attention now that the more-equal-than-others groups are also getting the same treatment, but I’m not going to push that point.)

And I was very clear about which part is “not new”. What a shame people can’t read. What a shame partisan commenters read “U.S. has been blah blah for a long time” and immediately jump to “Trump defender!!!”

Edit: I should also mention I literally emailed dang to get https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548 (discussion thread for your link) restored when it was flagged.

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Post by doener »

onli wrote: post #214
bloppe wrote: post #194

This website mixes some very real and very big problems (erosion of basic freedoms and rights in the US) with some entirely hallucinated ones (concentration camps for people with ADHD, and torture ? I'd certainly want to learn more about that than a passing mention). Personally I think the hyperbole only serves to cheapen the real problems.

Note that the German greencard holder currently being illegally detained described that he was tortured. See https://www.zeit.de/politik/2025-03/deutscher-us-abschiebeha...

Translation via DeepL: "The German's mother made serious accusations against the immigration authorities in the US media. She told NHPR in New Hampshire that officers had "violently interrogated" her son for hours. He had to strip naked and was forced to take a cold shower by two officers before being put back in his chair. He was then taken to a room with other people in bright light and was given hardly any food or water. He was also denied access to his medication. According to his mother, the man eventually collapsed and was taken to hospital. It later turned out that he had the flu."

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Post by praptak »

phtrivier wrote: post #108

The tech community has an interesting role to play here - I wonder how long it will take for gafam to start having issues recruiting skilled foreigners (or simply flying them to the US for interviews.) It's not too much of a problem now, as t Big Tech is not in the "software business" so much as in the "laying off people to make the stock look good" ; but at some point they'll have to bring people in to actually writ…

They do hire in LCoL countries (hello from Warsaw). Whether this will make the dent I'm a bit skeptical though. Nobody flies candidates anymore.

I told the last recruiter flat out that it's no longer ethical for me to work for a US company but I don't think many people will do the same.

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Post by Aeolun »

mdhb wrote: post #242
jeltz wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And dang refuses to recognise that there is any kind of problem with this. Just tells people with a straight face to assume everyone is acting in good faith and that you shouldn’t ever question that assumption for the sake of harmony.

That’d be fine if there was an equal number of people that could vouch for something, but that button doesn’t exist now?
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