Hear hear. Great initiative. I am not in the US but I do feel threatened by the way the US is conducting itself these days. It's time for people working in tech to push back.
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#123> Some have been tortured. Is there any evidence of this?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det...
Everything felt like it was meant to break you. Nothing was explained to us. I wasn’t given a phone call. We were locked in a room, no daylight, with no idea when we would get out.
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Yes and some of the links to the “traumatizing” deportations are for people who are clearly in violation of their visas. I had a friend deported from Denmark when he overstayed his visa and it was basically the same thing. Some of these look really bad and could be sensible justification for the proposed boycott/cancellation (see French scientist eg) but a lot of it looks completely hysterical.
How long did his deportation take? Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. And I wouldn’t want to gamble if I‘m one of the unlucky ones that you described as looking bad. That kind of uncertainty is exactly what makes those travels unnecessarily dangerous. That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious.
I've known people get caught up for months in immigration detention over simple snafus. I've also known several people who were literally just turned around at the gate and shoveled straight onto the next flight home. There are thousands of border points, and thousands of border agents, so I'm guessing there is an element of luck depending on where you appear.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aren't there still violent conflicts with drug gangs where citizens are killed still going on in Mexico?
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No, he is right. Mexico still has an awful problem with the drug cartels that control whole regions and can actively undermine the government in the whole country. They just recently discovered a death camp that might explain where some of the hundreds of thousands disappeared people ended up.
But there are regions where hosting a conference would be possible, mexico city or Querétaro for example.
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#127I understand the sentiment that the Trump administration is draconian, especially for people traveling from abroad considering the new border policy. But, pardon me, how is that executive order about sex a "threat"? Listed as the top issue undermines the credibility of this petition I think.
It's a threat to transgender travellers; I know many in the tech industry. The U.S. is now denying entry visas to transgender travellers as well.
Who was denied a visa for being trans? Citation needed. Were they denied because they were trans, or were they denied for another reason but happened to be trans.
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Right. I think I was unclear -- my point is that whether or not you agree with the E.O., you must surely agree it makes travel to the U.S. difficult for transgender travellers, right? And that's a problem for the conference.
Source?
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I mentioned this elsewhere, but the U.S. is already denying entry visas for transgender travellers, either as a follow-up to this E.O. or based on the same principles as it. This doesn't seem hysterical to me.
This is just misinformation. Requiring factually accurate sex information to be submitted is not the same as discriminating against some group. It’s just common sense.
EDIT - response to defrost’s comment below:
The Australian passport doesn’t require fatally accurate information per your own link:
> Customers who identify as a gender other than male or female (intersex, indeterminate, unspecified, non-binary) may request that the gender in their ATD appear as X.
Sex isn’t a matter of “identifying” as something. It’s a biological reality. Progressive gender ideology cannot alter these facts, and it is unfortunate it has found its way into the identification documents of some countries.
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#130I have been going to IETFs on and off for 20 years. As if the past few months were not nauseating enough in the US, I never thought I would see my own country on a page like this, and described in this way, and I feel even more deeply saddened, ashamed and horrified.
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