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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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post #139

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> There _is_ a process, which optimises for holding people as long as possible for the prison industrial complex to make money "due process" is what you are due - it is what is afforded to you by the 4th amendment and habeus corpus. Op is correct.

However, the US has long been very clear: constitutional rights only apply to citizens . US law is perfectly happy with arbitrary brutality towards non-citizens. (ECHR is different on this, which has caused a lot of controversy in the UK from people who want to be arbitrarily brutal towards non-citizens)

> However, the US has long been very clear: constitutional rights only apply to citizens.

Nope, most of the constitutional rights apply to all people under the jurisdiction of the US. It's why the Bush administration set up Guantanamo--to try to evade any hint of constitutional protection, and he still failed that. (Of course, as Guantanamo also shows, the remedies available to people whose constitutional rights have been grossly violated by the government are quite lacking.)

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Yes. This is the reality of how it is. It’s unfair that this woman was caught in this but CBP have ultimate power crossing the border can be scary. My friend got her visa stripped and given a 10 year ban under Obama because of jokes in her text messages about a GC marriage. She didn’t get thrown in jail but she was refused entry back into the US and had to get someone to sell all her stuff while she flew back to her…

The offshore detention we do here in Australia is abominable, but it’s not accurate to say it’s “if you overstay your visa”, it’s generally only used for people who can’t be deported for whatever reason (usually around asylum claims, being stateless, etc.). If you just overstay a visa you will just be deported fairly quickly, you aren’t going to go into offshore detention… That’s not a defence of the practice, offsho…

My friend went to University of NSW early 2000s and she said when her friends disappeared for a while, they knew they were caught by the border patrol and deported because of some sort of overstayed visas. They all knew how aggressive Australia was at enforcing visa violations. Maybe they changed the process since then but she said everyone knew they sent visa overstayers to the offshore jails to scare them and send a message to everyone else.

CORRECTION: you are right. I got my story mixed up so I was wrong. It’s illegal immigrants who arrived by boat that were sent to offshore jails. My friends friend was sent to a regular jail. He had a student visa and stopped going to uni so he got arrested and deported because his visa got cancelled.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Flagged, of course, to death. This is an important story of US decline. This woman was here to do business. To work with Americans. If you're flagging this because you're a part of the tech right, who thinks these policies are somehow good for you, maybe hold off on that flag button and let the discussion play out here. Think about what happens if people from the rest of the world are terrified of working within this…

I mean, at this point, do I just flag everything on the front page too? Is that the only recourse I have as a user in good faith? What other method do I have to show my displeasure with this subset of the community?

> do I just flag everything on the front page too?

Well, if it's all spam/off-topic, I guess flag it all. But unlikely it's all spam, this story certainly isn't, so not sure how it got flagged. Feels extremely relevant to various people who go to conferences, events and even just want to vacation.

> Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did.

Edit: Since someone commented the "If they'd cover it on TV news it's offtopic" line from the rules but promptly deleted their comment, this is the section that might relevant too:

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

I'd personally consider lawful residents getting sent to detention-centers for no good reasons being "they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon", but we all think differently I suppose.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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>There were around 140 of us in our unit. Many women had lived and worked in the US legally for years but had overstayed their visas – often after reapplying and being denied. They had all been detained without warning. Okay so, not legal then? These articles are always like this. "omg I just overstayed a little bit!!! uwu" Btw, I am European and will never hopefully have to visit the USA again.

> These women acknowledged that they shouldn’t have overstayed and took responsibility for their actions. They took responsibility for their actions so they should't have been put there. punishing ppl even after they take responsibility is not what ppl voted for.

Wasn't it their responsibility to leave on their own?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Trump won because he took all the liberal policies that the Democrats abandoned for more extreme values and made them his core values. This is why he had the most diverse set of voters in the history of the Republican Party, because many were ex-Democrats.

It's the other way around. Since Clinton the Democrat party has become more and more republican-like. Now they are economically the same, and the only differences left are social signals. Both parties favor corporations and profit over people.

Trump has wielded the (understandable) disgust that people had with that system, pointed at the Democrats and made them the enemy. And then is lowering taxes for rich guys and cutting benefits for millions.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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I traveled to the US (from my country -France- and many others) for 12 years. About a trip every month. The last time was 10 years ago. I never had any problems (outside the horrible behaviour of border officers who show you that you are not welcome). I was stopped once by a policeman when I did an illegal car maneuver (which is tolerated in France), and when he realized I was a tourist with family, he just said, "Be…

"Seriously considering"? Êtes-vous fou ? Restez en Europe !

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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post #235

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You are ignorant about how life is crossing into other countries. In the 1990s, my friend who is a white Canadian drove into Buffalo for dinner with his family, and on his way back the Canadian border patrol asked him where he was going. He answered “Canada” instead of Toronto and based on that they detained him for hours and ripped apart his car. Just recently a woman from the UK was denied entry into Canada and bec…

"woman from the UK was denied entry into Canada and because of that was denied entry back into the US" You are proving my point, she was again detained by USA for 3 weeks when it could have been resolved much better and faster.

Yes we agree then. Every country is strict at the border. That’s my point.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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post #217

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Guess I'll die, can't find a country that will take me and my partners

I hate this new world and the rise of selfishness.

Which has now become a political programme ("(We won't do what is right, ) we will do what is in our interest").
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