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Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by jswny »

dakiol wrote: post #119

Am I the only one who prefers stability instead of a constant rush of features in their text editors/IDEs? If it’s AI related I like them even less. I know I can stick forever with Vim, but damn, I tried Zed and it felt good.

I agree. I actually use the AI features in Zed a lot, but there are things I really wish they would prioritize.

For example this issue that’s been open for about a year: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/10122

Editing large files is an incredibly common use case for an editor

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by bastardoperator »

santoshalper wrote: post #233
bastardoperator wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of mentality is this? I remember before snapple was a widely known name they used to give out free bottles all over Los Angeles. I never thought to myself, I better not taste this free drink until I know the actual price.

Totally different. You aren't adjusting your development workflow based on a soft drink. If it weren't a rug-pull, why wouldn't they charge for it immediately, or at least tell us the price now? They are specifically hoping you'll become dependent on it and then feel compelled to pay. This shit works because people like you believe it doesn't.

You're going to be adjusting regardless with new tooling, so the point is irrelevant. It's not a rug pull because they're telling you it's not free. So what if it works? I pay for useful services, you do too. My point is not exploring or being curious because a company might ask you to pay for a product, seems outlandish, because that's what companies do, they charge people for goods and services.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by jswny »

Alifatisk wrote: post #194

Is there any plans for Zed to add basic functionality like task runner? A button to run / debug code? Only having autocomplete for Java code gives the impression that Zed is only a text editor and not an IDE.

Zed already has built in task running… you can use the same thing to call anything that you want like a command to run your project. You can even add custom keybindings to them

https://zed.dev/docs/tasks

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by I_complete_me »

santoshalper wrote: post #230
jermberj wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's ... uh ... not what a rug pull is. They're telling you plainly from the jump that they're going to eventually charge for it. Point taken on your wish to wait, that makes perfect sense.

They're just telling you it's not going to be $0.00. It could be $5/year, $20/mo or anything else. It's the gentleman's rug-pull.

Since when did gentlemen pull rugs? It seems antithetical to the behaviour of what I understand by 'gentleman'.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by dmurray »

santoshalper wrote: post #233
bastardoperator wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of mentality is this? I remember before snapple was a widely known name they used to give out free bottles all over Los Angeles. I never thought to myself, I better not taste this free drink until I know the actual price.

Totally different. You aren't adjusting your development workflow based on a soft drink. If it weren't a rug-pull, why wouldn't they charge for it immediately, or at least tell us the price now? They are specifically hoping you'll become dependent on it and then feel compelled to pay. This shit works because people like you believe it doesn't.

> If it weren't a rug-pull, why wouldn't they charge for it immediately, or at least tell us the price now?

Because they haven't decided the price yet, or because they don't think the feature is mature enough to justify charging for?

Though even if they really have the motivations you describe, that's fine too. There's a chance this is such a valuable feature you could feel compelled to pay any price for it, but you get to try it for free? That's purely to your benefit: it's not heroin and you won't really lose by trying it and then it being taken away.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by tekacs »

lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

From their overall FAQ:

> Q: Will Zed be free?

> A: Yes. Zed will be free to use as a standalone editor. We will instead charge a subscription for optional features targeting teams and collaboration. See "how will you make money?".

> Q: How will you make money?

> A: We envision Zed as a free-to-use editor, supplemented by subscription-based, optional network features, such as:

  - Channels and calls
  - Chat
  - Channel notes

  We plan to offer our collaboration features to open source teams, free of charge.
It seems to me that they're just going to charge for Zeta if they do, because it... costs them money to run.

Unlike others (e.g. Cursor), they've opened it (and its fine-tuning dataset!), so you can just run it yourself if you want to bear the costs...

They did something similar with LLM use, where for simplicity they gave you LLM use, but you could use them directly too.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by clint »

lionkor wrote: post #47

> Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn. I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours. Considering I've…

Not a rug pull. Just use it. If you like it and the price is too high. Don't pay it. What is the problem? Are you afraid that you'll like the feature so much that you'll pay whatever the cost?

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by samcat116 »

Alifatisk wrote: post #194

Is there any plans for Zed to add basic functionality like task runner? A button to run / debug code? Only having autocomplete for Java code gives the impression that Zed is only a text editor and not an IDE.

> Only having autocomplete for Java code gives the impression that Zed is only a text editor and not an IDE

Where did you get the impression they only have support for autocomplete for Java? AFAIK they support any LSP and this new feature is language independent.

Re: Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

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Post by ewoodrich »

Larrikin wrote: post #168
kristofferR wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like the recent Samsung phones, functionality fees are waived until 2026. No word about the price yet. [1] Samsung should be avoided like the plague anyway, I've never seen such a malicious and hostile company! On Dec 13 they silently announced that they were gonna break Samsung APIs on Dec 30 [2]. Yeah, they gave devs the "You gotta spend your holidays fixing our mess, otherwise your app will break". Due to tha…

As an Android user and developer, it's always annoying reading reviews where Samsung gets 9.5 out of ten and they give a terrible review to the competition because they have a slightly better camera. They give you a terrible Touch Wiz UI/whatever crap interface they switched to, change all the fonts, move around menu items and buttons, slightly change all the stock apps to be worse, push their garbage store, etc. Sam…

I absolutely prefer modern OneUI on Samsung phones to the Pixel variant or stock AOSP. The Galaxy store is only used for updating Samsung native apps and isn't "pushed" at all in my experience. I don't use their native apps for the most part and them existing isn't a problem for me, Google apps are preinstalled and work as expected set once as the default.
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