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Thanks for the offering, seriously, it is an important investment/cost I wasn't sure it would be worth right now. (If you wish to I added some contact information, for an easier chat, in my HN profile; just for the following day). Here is a realistic case I would have used Short prompt: "research the market of the SysML products and industry cap, key actors, opportunities and advantages" Expanded prompt: “Conduct a d…

Report link: https://chatgpt.com/share/67a4a67b-5060-8005-85b8-65eef3cb60... Let me know what you think, will ya? I'm curious as to how you'd evaluate the quality of that report. Also note the follow-up prompt I gave it. This thing needs as much detail as you can give it, and small changes to your prompt can hugely influence the end result.

Wow, thank you so much, that was 11 pages full pages. I will be a bit critical with it hoping my review helps you as well, since to me, it was very friendly and useful your offer (also I wonder if you can still do 99 more reserachs like this one during the month or this amounts already to many of such research in total).

Superficially:

- Awesome how fast is available and all sources linked to explain each claim

- To export that to a proper doc with footnotes and proper formatting it's already something to be worked by openAI

- it looks like the perfect way to create a gut feeling and a sense of what is going on

Content:

- Wrong studies: It mixed SysML (a particular visual language for which it was specifically requested) with MBSE (the family of tools) which is exactly not the same as the desired study was particular for SysML.

- Quality of data: Most of the data comes from public articles and studies made by others, all the time about MBSE, not SysML, and just quotes their numbers, it does not do its own estimates looking for the benefits of such products on each company and estimating a projection (that would be an actual research, and an AI should be capable of tirelessly do that or even biasedly look for the right pieces if information). For example it was a report on diet, a report like that should avoid debunk articles, bro's blogs, etc.

- Inconsistent scales: at some comparison table, it mentioned at the foot that it will display pricing with such schema:(Pricing: $ = low, $$$$ = high) however it made that in a single row. Why? the source for that field made that as well in its source, but none of the other fields repeated this system to value or adapt results.

- Only googleable data: companies reports or private databases here are key for a high quality report. Sometimes this is not always possible for an AI or a crawler but here am I evaluating the outcome (use case): a market analisis for strategic purposes.

- Quality of the report: Many things mentioned like services around the products are also highly valuable... would be useful to remark case by case the business model of each company and how much is in the product and how much is in the related service (using a pie chats or whatever) and showing particular case studies to remark the market trend, from which model is coming from (product) and where it is going to (services and SaaS).

I could continue longer with many other things and such errors but it is quite long.

Conclusion:

It is very useful, particularly to grasp a general, yet detailed, idea on what is going on, on a market. However it is only as valid as a remix of previous things, not an actual market research for an actual strategy. Many sources, elements, landscape of which companies and products related are there are totally useful, perhaps 30%-40% of the total work and it gives a clear structure where to go from here.

Probably it may improve the more interactive that the tool is, for example asking to correct some sections or improve in specifically suggested ways by the user. Basically the user needs to bring expertise, reasoning from the field and critical thinking (things machines will be lacking in any foreseeable future).

Why am I so critic? Remember, map is not the territory, particularly in strategic terms. And it is also a problem that many professionals do also these kind of failures: uncritically copying data from other's reports without verifying critically any of it which leads to very specific kinds of strategic errors.

It will become more useful as it becomes specialized in the kind of reports, and judges critically (which does not) and if it can be adapted to work on a private repo or preselected amounts of sources, or even prescripted agent behaves for the sort of report.

Verdict:

I would purchase it, not to solve the problem or resell it, but as a way to get started and accelerate the process. It already does what an internship student would do, or a mediocre professional: revamp preexisting mashups to get a general, but detailed, feeling but no more insights or research than what it is already well known (googling after all).

It has a great future as it would be great if such level of non creative work is automated away as their value often is marginal and uncritically propagates previous beliefs and biases (and if there is a centralized tool, that can be tuned to avoid well known issues)

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

I agree it's ridiculous that the mention of a politician triggers the block so feels overly tightened (which is the story of existencer for Gemini), but the alternative is that the model will have the politics of it's creators/trainers. Is that preferable to you? (I suppose that depends on how well your politics align with Silicon Valley)

They could allow users to choose the politics of their models.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Meanwhile: Playstation Playstation 2 Playstation 3 Playstation 4 Playstation 5

actually just for the PS5 we have: PS5 Standard Edition, PS5 Digital Edition, PS5 First Chassis Revision, PS5 Second Chassis Revision, PS5 Slim Standard Edition, PS5 Slim Digital Edition, PS5 Pro

In fairness those still follow a relatively straightforward naming convention.

The only thing that's slightly non-intuitive is how standard/digital determines whether a disc can be used to play a game. But every other aspect of the naming could be understood by a person new to the category.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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I am blown away by how bad this is compared to the competition. What is Google doing? I asked it to give me something simple like 6 results, and it gives me 3, not to mention bad data hallucinations that ChatGPT and others are working fine with.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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That would still be politics, yes. What would be the benefit of discussing it at work? The particular example you give is one which is especially divisive. If someone feels emotionally affected by an issue to the point where they cannot focus on work they should take a leave of absence.

It's called being an understanding human. Unless you limit the topics to the weather and definitely not in the changing climate style, you will talk about real life quite often. And someone's real life may be a school dropoff one day and a grenade landing on their brother digging trenches in Ukraine the day after. If you hard nope out of tougher subjects, they're unlikely to talk much to you afterwards.

Random people aren't your therapist or owe you understanding whatever trauma you pull out of your hat.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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post #88

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I find it horrifying and dystopian that the part where it "Can't talk politics" is just accepted and your complaint is that it interrupts your ability to talk chilli. "Go back to bed America." "You are free, to do as we tell you" https://youtu.be/TNPeYflsMdg?t=143

Online the idea of "no politics" is often used as a way to try to stifle / silence discussion too. It's disturbingly fitting to the Gemini example. I was a part of a nice small forum online. Most posts were everyday life posts / personal. The person who ran it seemed well meaning. Then a "no politics" rule appeared. It was fine for a while. I understood what they meant and even I only want so much outrage in my small…

AI is online but not human. If a hammer refuses to hammer certain things it is faulty and should be fixed or replaced.

Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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Today I wasted 1 hour looking in how to use or where to find "Deep Research”. I could not. I have the business workplace standard, which contains the Gemini advance, not sure whether I need a VPN, pay a separate AI product, or even pay a higher workplace tier or what the heck is going on at all. There are so many confusing products interrelated and lack of focus everywhere that I really do not know anymore whether it…

You need to pay for Gemini to access it. In my experience, it's not worth it. So much potential in the experience, but the AI isn't good enough. I'm curious about the OpenAI alternative, but am not willing to pay $200/month.

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Re: Gemini 2.0 is now available to everyone

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What is the model I get at gemini.google.com (i.e. through my Workspace subscription)? It says "Gemini Advanced" but there are no other details. No model selection option. I find the lack of clarity very frustrating. If I want to try Google's "best" model, should I be purchasing something? AI Studio seems focused around building an LLM wrapper app, but I just want something to answer my questions. Edit: what I've lea…

> you get an AI overview answer that seems to be incorrect

It seems AI cannot yet defeat the obfuscation of its own product managers. Great advert for AI, that.

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