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Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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It also needs a much bigger emphasis on transit oriented development. In Japan the best place to eat in town is often in the train station or within a few feet of it. In the US the stops are often some of the worst places like parking lots or run down parts of town. Rarely have I seen good shopping/dining/living integrated into BA, or even US in general, transit systems.

My office in Cambridge, Massachusetts is directly in a 12 story tower with ground floor retail directly on top of a transit station. TOD does exist, it’s just rare for whatever reason in NA. That said, there are lots of other stops in the area that are either overrun with parking, like you said, or are one story business districts with no housing. Lots left to do. I suspect the problem might be mismatched incentives.…

> My office in Cambridge, Massachusetts is directly in a 12 story tower with ground floor retail directly on top of a transit station

That station (the Google Office MIT/Kendall one I'm assuming) was part of the larger redevelopment that happened in Kendall Square over the last 40 years which displaced a significant portion of Cambridge residents due to eh flawed 1949 Urban Redevelopment Act (the same one James Baldwin historically opposed).

Just go one stop inbound (MGH) or outbound (Central) and that level of synergy goes away.

A lot of this is because the T is just straight up old. Most of the stations are at least a century old if not older and it would take an inordinate amount of money to rebuild stations in a more modern manner.

> I suspect the problem might be mismatched incentives

The Asian as well as the more recent North American metro systems like BART or DC Metro are much newer (built or rebuilt in the last 50-70 years) and were thus able to include that public-private mixture.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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Wait, BART director is an elected position? Why don't I get to vote on it? (Also, while I am biased towards Caltrain, the new trains beat traffic on 101/280 San Francisco↔San Jose during rush hour).

It shouldn't be, though. There is way too much democracy in California localities. There should be no elected school board, transit districts, utility boards, assessors, sheriff, and so much more. No one is properly informed about candidates for these positions. For that matter, the Board of Supervisors should have no power other than oversight and impeachment. The Mayor should basically be a local dictator, with the…

What terrifies me the most are elections for judges. I am not a legal scholar and I rely upon local bar associations for qualification ratings (and I’m not convinced I made the right call all the time); to my horror I’ve had educated colleagues tell me they just pick cool sounding names.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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> I associate this attitude with criticism of Wikipedia and narcissism. I never said anything about Wikipedia. For the record, I'm a big fan of Wikipedia and I'm skeptical about the new US government. Please don't assume that because someone holds opinion X that they also hold opinion Y. With the current levels of polarization, it's probably a fair assumption to make, but I think we all as individuals have a responsi…

I brought up Wikipedia because it's something I'm interested in. And it's an example of somewhere I'd seen this exact argument against rules/regulation regularly made on HN stories and the comments on them in what I thought was a mostly non-political context.

> I associate this attitude with criticism of Wikipedia and narcissism.

> I brought up Wikipedia because it's something I'm interested in.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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You probably know more about this than me, but it looks like some lines do: https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-informa... Regenerative braking in cars also keeps a lot of brake dust out of the air. A pair of brake pads lasts about as long as the life of an EV.

> You probably know more about this than me, but it looks like some lines do I'm confused. Your phrasing suggests that you're adding in new and potentially conflicting information, but "many don't" and "some do" mean the same thing.

The missing piece of info here is that while most of the trains have the capability to do regen braking, it is generally ineffective because it can only be used if another train on the same section of track happens to also be accelerating at the same time.

That happens rarely enough that most of the trains, most of the time, do not effectively regen, and instead use mechanical or resistive braking.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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I mean, this is good news, but why was the efficiency of the system so misunderstood at the design phase? I hope someone's interested enough to find out!

Ahoi! Participated to the development of a simulation tool for that purpose. Many factors need to be taken into account: - The gradients of the track - How agressively you want to drive at different time of the day - How many trains - The timing of the trains. When one train brakes, it can power another one that accelerates at the same moment - The efficiency of the power chain - The resistance model of the train Wit…

Interesting! Thanks for the great info. Do you know if anyone will have the opportunity to integrate observations into the model so it can continue to improve?

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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> /We/ are doing our part. The administration needs to be held accountable. ... By the electorate, who clearly aren't doing their part if things like this keep happening.

Other than going down to the assembly and yelling what do you propose? We could call the representatives, recall the representatives, create a ballot measure, or vote differently next time.

Stop re-electing the same people. I vote for someone different in my state’s partisan primaries, because I believe high turnover of elected representatives is beneficial. I may still vote for the incumbent in the general election, but never in the primary.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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I feel this is positive news moving in a positive direction. Do you suggest not doing anything to improve the situation? We can’t go back in time. But we can help ourselves in the future.

I think it’s more that Americans seem to be surprised by things that people in other countries have known for decades. Meanwhile, the current administration is trying to send us back to the 19th century in civil rights, healthcare and energy policy.

https://xkcd.com/1053/ but with different numbers

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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Do trains need batteries for regenerative braking, or is it sent right back on the same power lines?

The article says this version sends it back out on the same power lines, either used by other trains or pushed back into the grid. Seems like a perfect job for supercapacitors, although I have no idea about the feasibility of that solution. I imagine that batteries having huge input/output cycles like that wouldn't be healthy for them. Again, pulled from my imagination because I don't really know much about battery w…

Generally, trains are scheduled so that one train decelerating roughly coincide with another accelerating. You can plan ahead and orchestrate all you want and overcommit capacity as much as you want. Leftover that didn't cancel out is fed back to hydroelectric dams for gravity storage which do require cleaning but are immune to chemical degradation.

By the way, implementing regen on synchronous motors is relatively easy, IIUC, command a positive torque to the inverter and it draws current and line voltage gets pulled down. Command negative and opposite happens.

Re: Caltrain's electric fleet more efficient than expected

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> It’s way quieter, the cars have nicer interiors, and it is running faster and more frequently than before. Not that electric isn't a huge step up for all the usual reasons but most of that is just because it's new and hasn't been worn out yet.

Honestly, I think even the old Caltrain cars were pretty clean. The only dirty parts were the bathrooms (and honestly, train bathrooms are sort of gross most places). Caltrain has always been sort of luxury, though; the median Caltrain rider has a >100k household income, which come to think of it, might be one of the highest median rider incomes for a public transit system in the world.

Apparently in 2019 the average household income of a Caltrain rider is $158,000. It dropped to $95,000 in 2020.

https://www.caltrain.com/media/1537/download?inline

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