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Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by NewJazz »

toast0 wrote: post #31
isaacdl wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the 7? In my experience, the two that really matter are J1772/CCS1 and NACS (Tesla). There's a scattering of CHADeMO, but I haven't yet seen a Level 3 DC charger that has CHADeMO only - the cabinet also has a CCS1 plug. Most (all?) manufacturers will be moving to NACS in the next few years. Luckily, J1772/CCS1 and NACS are protocol-level compatible, so adaptors are relatively cheap and easy to make. The rema…

PHEVs usually only have J1772. Not that we need to charge at a station, but I'm happy to take a free charge when available.

Eh, AC is nice for employers, hotels, RESIDENTIAL. But the shopping center ones are gimmicky. They're like 3.3kW with a 1kW TV next to it. Thanks shell.

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Post by mapt »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #200
rootusrootus wrote: post #191

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Agreed. Tesla fans are so enamored with Elon that there isn’t really going to be anything that changes their mind. The vast majority of people I’ve talked to who said they won’t buy a Tesla because of him are not EV owners at all. Just democrats.

Once you get past the passionate technologist crowd, and there have been signs the initial buyer pool for Tesla was already stagnating a bit in 2023, who are the next natural candidates for buyers? The mass market is 1/3 right wing, 1/3 left wing, 1/3 centrist roughly. The 1/3 right wing are the pickup truck buyers. Like a rock ... Strong as I can be. The 1/3 left wing is now pretty much a no. The 1/3 centrist is pro…

Tesla still has a great many advantages.

Their problem is that their valuation had the market predicting that they would generate a MAJORITY of all profit in US automotive manufacturing - they were worth more than every other player combined. This was grossly unrealistic. So expect a down round. Whether they survive that drop to... What... 5-10% of their former value? Depends on what sort of explicit and implicit dental they have accrued to scale.

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Post by NewJazz »

i80and wrote: post #89
floxy wrote: post #85

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There are still in the neighborhood of 190,000 Leafs in the U.S.

For better or for worse, the charging networks have generally agreed that the aging Leaf population isn't worth supporting. (Which makes it absolute lunacy that Nissan is still selling the Leaf )

Especially when they apparently have a replacement platform that is perfectly adequate (Ariya).

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Post by NewJazz »

_yb2s wrote: post #84
bdcravens wrote: post #43

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In the event I'm ever truly stranded, I do have a Level 1 charger I keep in my car so that all I need is a 110v outlet. Since my car (EV6) supports V2L and has an internal 110v outlet, I could also use it to help another stranded EV. Not fast, but it is a lifeline.

Half way through your comment I got worried you were about to claim you could charge your EV off its own internal outlet. No joke, I’ve seen many people on car forums saying EV companies are idiots for not making them self charging.

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Post by mattmaroon »

m463 wrote: post #104
NotSammyHagar wrote: post #32

Their strategy was to build them where there weren't other dcfc chargers, opening up new areas especially around outdoors places. Their chargers are much better maintained in general than the infamous Electrify America (they really struggle to fix EA chargers when they have problems, and they have problems) - there's a long story behind this. Rivian started before the plan to use superchargers was even envisioned, so…

I've come to notice that there is no incentive for 3rd party ev-chargers to be dependable. Telsa and rivian have a vested interest in keeping the chargers working. Their sales depend on the chargers working. Even a little bad press is a multiplier against sales. They also have significant engineering effort throughout the charging ecosystem, from the batteries, on-board infrastructure, standards, mapping, strategic c…

I mean they’re buying electricity for 10 cents and selling it for 60. They sell quite a few kw per hr that way at the fast chargers, and there are frequently lines so it’s not as if supply greatly outstrips demand.

Profit is the incentive.

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Post by mattmaroon »

jonplackett wrote: post #234
m463 wrote: post #104

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I've come to notice that there is no incentive for 3rd party ev-chargers to be dependable. Telsa and rivian have a vested interest in keeping the chargers working. Their sales depend on the chargers working. Even a little bad press is a multiplier against sales. They also have significant engineering effort throughout the charging ecosystem, from the batteries, on-board infrastructure, standards, mapping, strategic c…

Why is it so hard to keep an electric charger running? Is it just because it’s so much power that there’s weird components in there? At face value, plugs are in general pretty solid! Like how many times in your life has a plug in your house just stopped working.

Quite a few if you count GFCIs going bad, they need to be replaced periodically. (If you test them you’ll also find that they really do have a failure mode where they keep delivering power but will no longer trip, which is a lot less noticeable than when they trip and won’t reset.)

But to your actual point: I have a feeling they’re just badly engineered. Tesla ones are so much more reliable than third parties. I’m not sure if that’s because they break less or are fixed faster, and I suspect it’s some of both, but the difference is very large.

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Post by bilsbie »

Side note: why don’t gas stations offer charging? They’re already at good locations and they could drive business to their shops and delis.

Especially if they happen to be in a an area with no other chargers around.

Don’t even be fancy. Just buy a consumer grade charger with a 220 volt outlet and have the cashier charge $20/hour or something.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by bilsbie »

Side topic but I’ve thought it would be cool for EV owners to offer their chargers up just for people in emergencies. Battery about to die. You could even charge a big mark up.

I’d be willing to help a poor traveler once a week or so.

Someone should make a website like that where ev owners can list themselves for emergency charging.

Re: Rivian is opening its charging network to other EVs

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Post by bilsbie »

I think it’s cool how you can essentially gain range when the number of charger locations increases. You can go to lower and lower charge levels if you know there’s a charger every few miles.

On the flip side. When there are few chargers you could be forced to charge at 60% battery!

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