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Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by projektfu »

m3047 wrote: post #43
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #25

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> not how email communication works. There's no need for explicit answer to any email Obviously context dependent. For time-sensitive emails, it’s common to follow up with a call if receipt isn’t acknowledged.

Be sure to CC everybody. /s No. The technology isn't built for this.

I'm pretty sure a large number of e-mail conversations (i.e. not just announcements) end in one person saying, "OK", "Will do", "See you then", "I'm too busy, sorry" or some such response. It's very uncommon to send out an e-mail to someone and ask them to do something or consider something and then assume it has been received without acknowledgement.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by projektfu »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #23
megous wrote: post #15

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No. When you block an email the sender will get a notification email from their mail server that their message was blocked. They will not assume anything for very long.

> When you block an email the sender will get a notification email from their mail server that their message was blocked And if that blocked message was a reaction I’d assume I can move on: they sent an email, I sent a response, they refused to accept it and then spammed me to boot.

I agree, this is clearly worse, whether it's "your e-mail has been rejected" or "this server is not configured to accept 'reactions'", it's unnecessarily hostile to a user who probably doesn't understand that Microsoft has done something non-standard. And they will probably assume that you don't know what you're doing, because your e-mail doesn't work.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by withinboredom »

CalRobert wrote: post #178
maeil wrote: post #158

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Come over to my place and we can possibly be the first people ever to bond over their home wifi SSIDs ;)

I really miss the days when people put time and thought in to their SSIDs instead of using the defaults

Mine is "go fuck yourself" so whenever anyone asks what my wifi is, it results in a hilarious exchange.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by projektfu »

ryandrake wrote: post #30
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #14

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With a thumbs-up I know they've read it, and that's worth quiet a bit in this asynchronous communication world of ours.

We used to (and I believe still) have Read Receipts for this.

That was another groupware feature that was great for small orgs and terrible for the general net.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by withinboredom »

renewiltord wrote: post #153
wordofx wrote: post #101

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This was a good feature. Thankfully it still exists in iOS. Just requires approval.

The iOS implementation of this feature is perfect.

It isn't perfect if you are the wifi owner and people who have credentials then give it away to people you'd rather not give credentials.

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Post by fwip »

OJFord wrote: post #204
tczMUFlmoNk wrote: post #133

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I use this, though I find that many folks, including many technical folks, interpret it as an exclamation of distaste (as in, "agh! ach! ack!"), so it may pay to be judicious.

Oh interesting, I have come across that, but only one person (both uses it like that and misinterpreted it when we worked with people that ack'd, which of course I saw coming & could explain since I was accustomed to his use) - didn't realise that was common too. (I would use agh/argh/ugh for that personally, depending on precise feeling(!))

Cathy (from newspaper funny pages) would frequently use "ACK!" as an exclamation of distress/frustration.

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Post by viraptor »

watwut wrote: post #177
viraptor wrote: post #73

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Ok. (Followed by 20 other people responding with just "ok", filling the screen with spam)

I genuinely think that in this situation, you should do NOTHING instead of reaction. If the explicit ok is not needed, like on HN, then thumps up are not needed either.

It's a contrived situation but does represent a more general set of conversations where the need for response may be more ambiguous. There's a space where acknowledgements and reactions are useful without breaking the flow of conversation.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by klabb3 »

rrr_oh_man wrote: post #224
yason wrote: post #185

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Because this is Microsoft we shall apply Gates' razor and must thus conclude that "never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice".

Can you elaborate why you would see Gates as a malicious actor?

Monopolistic actions are malicious, if you believe in free markets. Gates led the war against Netscape, for one. The setback to the industry and consumers was massive.

Anti-market behavior is today completely normalized, so Gates is very much not alone. Malice is not an unusual phenomenon.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by RealStickman_ »

karaterobot wrote: post #76
whyoh wrote: post #65

This kinda reminds me of a feature Windows (Phone) used to have, where it would share your Wi-Fi password with the device's contacts automatically. To opt-out you had to add _optout to the SSID name. https://www.theregister.com/2015/06/30/windows_10_wi_fi_sens... It looks like this feature was removed eventually, but it's just one of those tasteless things that MS does every once in a while.

From that article: > (So if you want to opt out of Google Maps and Wi-Fi Sense at the same time, you must change your SSID of, say, myhouse to myhouse_optout_nomap. Technology is great.) I knew about the Google Maps thing, I didn't know about this. That kind of stuff is so presumptuous and user hostile it's outrageous.

I learned about this recently when I looked at using beacondb[1] as network geolocation provider.

[1] https://beacondb.net/privacy/

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