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For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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They really need to start adding windows as a build target at some near point in the future. As a webdev, that’s the only way I can convince the public to switch.

I mean for a long while even the GNU project provided Windows builds for Icecat browser. Probably to much Stallman grumbling. EDIT : Actually they still update it. Last version is 115.

First time I hear about Icecat browser. It seems like something that should be much more known!

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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My perfect world would have a law against advertising in general. If someone's paying you to say something, it's a conflict of interest and illegal. Hopefully, the vacuum of people needing to know things would result in better independent Product reviews. And the vacuum of not spending 30% of your company budget on advertising would hopefully lead to sinking prices and people being more willing to spend on things tha…

> If someone's paying you to say something, it's a conflict of interest and illegal. That already misses a huge problem though, I don't pay Mozilla for Firefox and I don't pay most online sites and services that gobble up my data and sell it off.

Mozilla has never given us a choice to pay for Firefox.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Enough of this waiting for virtuous entities to address legitimate concerns of the public. The "ad industry" is a cancer and we need legal protection against this "industry". The solution is political not technical and definitely can not be left to "the market". Haven't you had enough?

When it comes to the internet... I'd prefer it to stay like the wild west. Least amount of regulation beyond something like net neutrality. People forget that the reason we have all of these "free" services is because of ads and that's coming from someone who hates ads. Every streaming subscription I have, I pay for the ad-free service. Let the people who don't know how to install a browser extension or change a few…

I have a feeling that is most people out there.

I observed a friend of mine click on a malicious ad link recently in front of me when driving a presentation for a community meeting. It was shown as an overlay for a seemingly harmless site I found. In my home with a pihole I didn't see any of the ads.

I felt terrible that I was partially responsible for her clicking it. This knowledge and habit of ad-blocking and secure computer usage takes factors of time, effort, and money to learn, and not everyone is going to, or is capable of, devoting what's needed.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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> the ad industry is not going away That's the start of full blown stockholm syndrome. No data is ever fully anonymous, don't pretend otherwise. So no data should be send at all.

What you call Stockholm syndrome, I call reality. ;P This is an area that we are stuck contending with. Legal solutions are needed here but that path is mired by complex and powerful lobbying. If Mozilla can push for a more private or more protective - even if not fully private or fully protective - then I’d like to see where it goes.

Or they could just not do this shit. Completely refuse to help your enemies. Actually support their users.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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If 1% of regular Firefox users just donated the equivalent of 10USD per year to mozilla, they would not have the need to find ...eyebrow-raising... ways to earn money.

Nah, they'd just increase the already ridiculous salary to their CEO.

Mozilla CEO Salary was US$7 million in 2022. It's beyond taking the piss:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary...

No idea how much the new CEO is being paid. Probably just as bad.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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> It’s clear in retrospect that we should have communicated more on this one What isn’t clear, in retrospect or otherwise, is why companies/apps/services need to keep learning this lesson. The user outcry was utterly predictable from even before the first web article was out. The fact that no one with decision power at Mozilla saw it coming is worrying: either they have zero understanding of people’s concerns for pri…

> What isn’t clear, in retrospect or otherwise, is why companies/apps/services need to keep learning this lesson. They are trying to find a funding model that makes them independent from Google. - Building a fast, privacy-oriented browser that keeps up with web standards and fixes security bugs takes people, organisation and therefore money. Yes, much more than that CEO salary. - No one wants to buy for a browser. -…

If there is one single piece of software I will post a recurring fee for, it's a web browser. Look at Kagi and Orion for example (I pay for both).

It's like email. You need to get people over the mental hump. But then if you offer a good product, buyers will be happy they got over it.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Yeah on desktop. On mobile it's a lot harder. It's still turned on and you have to use a workaround to enable about: config because they don't bother to make this option visible in settings.

I recently started using Firefox again, because of all the madness around Chrome and the change of how add-ons (mainly uBlock and similar) would work. And it felt kinda good, i actually thought that Firefox was different and a part of "the good guys", now it doesn't feel that way anymore. Sigh.

I don't know of any "good guys" whatsoever that ever managed to build and maintain a browser. Anyone?

Maybe one day we'll have a usable FOSS browser but I doubt it (the companies will fight tooth and nail against it including legal means, buying out companies, blocking content for them, etc.).

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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Enough of this waiting for virtuous entities to address legitimate concerns of the public. The "ad industry" is a cancer and we need legal protection against this "industry". The solution is political not technical and definitely can not be left to "the market". Haven't you had enough?

Anyone bothered enough by advertising can stop using whatever product has been ruined by ads, or find ways to remove the advertising. More laws and larger governments doesn't have to be the answer to all problems. If consumers care enough they'll change their usage, if they don't change their usage they likely don't care enough.

> Anyone bothered enough by advertising

I don't particularly have an issue with advertising itself. If adverts get on my nerves on a product or page I just leave, as you suggest: problem solved.

The actual issue is the stalky tracking of me throughout my life that is currently inseparable from the advertising. I can't just walk away from that: it happens behind my back, it has happened before I get the chance to walk away.

> can stop using whatever product has been ruined by ads

Which will not stop the stalky behaviour of the ad industry. They'll still track me if I happen to click the wrong thing, or track me through my connections to other people. I suppose I could walk away from life and become a hermit, but that would be just a little extreme.

> or find ways to remove the advertising.

Which is, while I do take part, an ultimately fruitless task. Every block we make for the stalky behaviour, be it technical or legislative (other than outright banning the tracking of personal data except with explicit opt-in without exceptions, and properly enforcing punishments for breaking the ban), they'll find a way around. Removing it is not a long term solution, it is a war or attrition where we have to have our guard up all the time and they only have to get lucky, or just be particularly sneaky, every now and again.

> More laws and larger governments doesn't have to be the answer to all problems.

This has often been said by companies and their shills. Oddly, they are all in favour of extra laws and government reach when it is, for example, to protect what they consider to be their intellectual property.

Re: For advertising, Firefox now collects user data by default

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The days of Mozilla having earned the benefit of the doubt are long gone for most people. The person you replied to made a reasonable point and your response reads as defensive and dismissive. Do you have an interest in Mozilla we should know about?

Eh, I don’t think my comment is defensive. I also could’ve just ignored the comment. I explained to them that I’m open to discussing but there’s nothing to be gained when the comment starts off in conspiracy theory. It’s an open source project, people will 100% notice if they tried to do what the parent comment is suggesting.

It certainly reads defensively.

> It’s an open source project, people will 100% notice if they tried to do what the parent comment is suggesting.

No-one thinks they'll lie about it. They'd announce it quietly just like this change, letting the fuss blow over. The average user would never even realise and Firefox would continue on its journey towards user hostility.

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