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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by Thegn »

ImaCake wrote: post #231
Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

The technical reason for this is just that the algorithm fails to distinguish between these two groups. Probably its just a hard problem to solve from a sample of what people listen to. I suspect a significant fraction of people that like black swing also like white swing and that results in the algorithm being unable to resolve that there are two features there and not one. You really need a level of manual curation…

What I find curious about it though is that it's obviously recognizing the style - it plays 1-2 musicians from the "black" group, then circles into only playing Miller/Goodman/Rat pack and never comes back around to playing the music that I originally was trying to play. If it was behaving the way you are thinking, I'd expect it to mix the two styles.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by riversflow »

I hate this article. Can’t we do some philosophical introspection instead of just this data driven drivel? There is even a clue in the empty nesters vs parents section but no discussion. Is the author just afraid of saying something offensive? Age being causative is just taken as fact.

I’d suggest that music discovery is centered on having the desire to do so. As people get older they often stop caring about being cool[+] (take a look at the author) and only listening to the same old music is lame. “We stop being interested in new music at $AGE” is just unimaginative, lazy, and counter to the facts.

Being “with it” is a choice.

[+] And, btw, nobody gets to decide what “cool” is(and your mom definitely doesn’t), but it is by nature always changing.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by hi-v-rocknroll »

Whatever. I find new stuff all of the time. Anything but show tunes, most country, and recent pop music is fair game. Tidal has good shit whereas Spotify will randomly reach into your account to delete playlists or remove content without warning. Also, the Spotify app no longer controls volume across devices uniformly, doesn't work at all on Apple TV, and is generally getting buggier and crappier with popups and moving things around for no reason. I'm downloading elsewhere to use with PlexAmp and buying vinyl because you just can't get everything via streaming.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by moomin »

I think the main thing that reduces music discovery as a parent is sheer exhaustion, you just don’t have as many hours anymore. It’s not just that you’re listening to less new music, you’re listening to less, period.

Meanwhile, having a kid getting into music is fabulous. I’ve been forced to listen to every Taylor Swift album. I know who Olivia Rodrigo is. I managed to discover Wet Leg all on my own. Steve Lacy, Mitski, Zutomayo, sohodolls…

And then there’s The Crane Wives. Honestly one of the best things I have heard in a very long time. Try “Keep You Safe”, if you don’t like it the rest is probably not going to be your thing. If you do, there’s a lot more like it.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by 082349872349872 »

horsh1 wrote: post #92
mattpallissard wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll add one more 5. Once you find a band you like, pull their tour dates. See who they're opening for or who their openers are.

6. Go to whosampled.com and figure out the originals. Whom do they cover, whom do they sample.

Younger artists cover older artists all the time; when older artists cover younger ones, that's probably a recommendation.

Examples: Dolly Parton covering Joan Jett; Alla Pugacheva and Sofia Rotaru covering t.A.T.u.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by _a_a_a_ »

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

I'm a little puzzled as you're describing a music stylist on skin colour, black vs white. I presume you don't really mean that, so what distinguishes the two musical styles, black swing vs white swing? Serious question.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by bongodongobob »

Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

I'm sorry, but wanting your music algorithm to key in on the composer's skin color is a ridiculous expectation. Listen to albums or make a playlist.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by moomin »

ImaCake wrote: post #231
Thegn wrote: post #224

One problem I've run into with the music services is with older styles. For example, I'm specifically into black musicians from the 1930s-1950s who played swing style music. I have yet to find a service that actually will play more than 2-3 songs in that style before deciding that what I really want to hear is rat pack or swing by white musicians. No matter how much I thumbs down it, I get Glenn Miller/Frank Sinatra/…

The technical reason for this is just that the algorithm fails to distinguish between these two groups. Probably its just a hard problem to solve from a sample of what people listen to. I suspect a significant fraction of people that like black swing also like white swing and that results in the algorithm being unable to resolve that there are two features there and not one. You really need a level of manual curation…

I wonder if this is the case, or if the model just has year as a heavily weighted factor, because bluntly, Ella and Louis were vastly superior musicians to Frank and Tony. I honestly can’t hear the similarity. It’s like thinking “Oh. You liked The Killers, here’s some One Direction”

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by js2 »

lapcat wrote: post #168

I find it interesting that GenZ and Millennials show a much smaller preference for their own decade's music. https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pr... The 1980s are still doing quite well among all but the oldest generation. Is it possible that music may actually be getting worse? Corporatized, consolidated, computerized. Look at Hollywood now too: everything is a sequel, prequel, remake, reboot…

> Look at Hollywood now too: everything is a sequel, prequel, remake, reboot, or adaptation. There’s hardly anything original anymore.

Vs:

> This may surprise some, but since 2000, just over half of all movies released have been original screenplays.

https://stephenfollows.com/are-movies-becoming-more-derivati...

The problem is they aren't blockbusters, so you don't remember them. From the same link:

> While the number of movies based on original screenplays has been increasing since the late 2000s, their box office share has continued to fall. In 1984, 73% of the box office were original screenplays, whereas forty years later in 2023, that figure was just 30.6%. And that’s despite their production share being similar (i.e. 60.4% vs 55.9%).

And from a separate post:

> Sequels were twice as frequent in the late 1980s than in the 2010s, if we use production figures as our measure

https://stephenfollows.com/are-there-more-movie-sequels-than...

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by ZeWaka »

hi-v-rocknroll wrote: post #243

Whatever. I find new stuff all of the time. Anything but show tunes, most country, and recent pop music is fair game. Tidal has good shit whereas Spotify will randomly reach into your account to delete playlists or remove content without warning. Also, the Spotify app no longer controls volume across devices uniformly, doesn't work at all on Apple TV, and is generally getting buggier and crappier with popups and movi…

>the Spotify app no longer controls volume across devices uniformly

I actually really enjoy this feature myself - all my devices need to be at different audio levels to not blow out the speakers, so having per-device (or virtual device via Spotify Connect) control is great.

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