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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by chongli »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #206
cauliflower99 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting idea. Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Or maybe it would be a combination of pre-AI content plus some extra barriers to entry for newer content that would increase the likelihood the content was generated by real people?

I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. I don't want AI to be at the forefront of all new media and artwork. That's a terrible outcome to me. And honestly there's already too much "content" in the world and being produced every day, and it seems like every time we step further up the "content…

The AI that generates 1000 games eventually gets bought by a company

That seems like only a temporary phenomenon. If we've got AI that can generate any games that people actually want to play then we don't need game companies at all. In the long run I don't see any company being able to build a moat around AI. It's a cat-and-mouse game at best!

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Post by laserlight »

letitbeirie wrote: post #218
pavel_lishin wrote: post #101

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We should start donating more heavily to archive.org - the way back machine may soon be the only way to find useful data on the internet, by cutting out anything published after ~2020 or so.

It will be like salvaging pre-1945 shipwrecks for their non-irradiated metal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

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Post by lambda_garden »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #206
cauliflower99 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting idea. Could there be a market for pre-AI era content? Or maybe it would be a combination of pre-AI content plus some extra barriers to entry for newer content that would increase the likelihood the content was generated by real people?

I'm in the camp where I want AI and automation to free people from drudgery in the hope that it will encourage the biggest HUMAN artwork renaissance ever in history. I don't want AI to be at the forefront of all new media and artwork. That's a terrible outcome to me. And honestly there's already too much "content" in the world and being produced every day, and it seems like every time we step further up the "content…

Think how many game developers were able to realize their vision because Unity3D was accessible to them but raw C++ programming was not. We may see similar outcomes for other budding artists with the help of AI models. I'm quite excited!

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Post by alickz »

>The internet has been broken in a fundamental way. It is no longer a repository of people communicating with people; increasingly, it is just a series of machines communicating with machines.

LLMs don't talk to each other - humans use LLMs to talk to other humans

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Post by skydhash »

blackhaz wrote: post #179
renegat0x0 wrote: post #161

I think most people misunderstand that the search engines are not content. Internet was always full of spam. Google was able to work around that. Since for some years Internet became dead because Google is not able to keep up. Internet was dogshit. Now it is just AI dogshit. Google was quite good, but now it is not. In a few years we will not use Google search, we will ask chatbots for answers. There will be no "link…

That's it. Google is loosing the ground here. It is no longer "the gateway to the Internet." There has always been dog shit, it's just there will now be much more dog shit than ever. Indexing dog shit is not working anymore. There is still Internet out there with useful information, it's just you cannot access it by searching. Are we back to the era of curated sources, encyclopedias and web rings?

I'm already back to it, by following the blogs I like and by bookmarking every interesting sources I come across, as it's unlikely to get back to it via googling. I also more diligent with taking notes, and building a personal knowledge base due to the rate of information disappearing, especially recommendations.

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Post by [deleted] »

agentultra wrote: post #114
oceanplexian wrote: post #9

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Humans are the original bullshit generator. AI is only doing what humans have been doing since forever.

So instead of putting out the fires, in the interest of improving the situation, we'll make the fires bigger? A good deal of humans care about the truth. Some of them actively seek to deceive and avoid the truth -- liars, we tend to dislike them. But the ones both sides dislike are the ones who disregard the truth... ie: bullshitters -- the, "that's just your opinion, man," the, "what even is the truth anyway?" peopl…

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Post by jhgorrell »

Gibson_v1 wrote: post #125
causal wrote: post #110

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Finally switched to Kagi when I realized Google could not find a particular ThreeJS class doc page for me no matter what keywords I used, I had to paste the very URL of the page for it to appear at the top of my search results. Kagi got it first try using the class name. Paid search is the way, ad incentives are at odds with search. Made Kagi my address bar default search and it's been great.

Maybe I'll try Kagi. I've had a hell of a time googling docs lately. I've been experimenting with different libraries on somde side projects and it feels like I'm always scrolling past stuff like GeeksForGeeks and various sites that look like some sort of AI generated stuff just to get to official docs or github links.

I have been happy with Kagi -- Like that I can change the site rankings on the results.

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Post by chasd00 »

blackhaz wrote: post #179
renegat0x0 wrote: post #161

I think most people misunderstand that the search engines are not content. Internet was always full of spam. Google was able to work around that. Since for some years Internet became dead because Google is not able to keep up. Internet was dogshit. Now it is just AI dogshit. Google was quite good, but now it is not. In a few years we will not use Google search, we will ask chatbots for answers. There will be no "link…

That's it. Google is loosing the ground here. It is no longer "the gateway to the Internet." There has always been dog shit, it's just there will now be much more dog shit than ever. Indexing dog shit is not working anymore. There is still Internet out there with useful information, it's just you cannot access it by searching. Are we back to the era of curated sources, encyclopedias and web rings?

> Are we back to the era of curated sources, encyclopedias and web rings?

maybe even further. I subscribed to the physical, printed and delivered, Wall St. journal a few weeks ago, i really really like it. It has a first page and a last page, i can read it and be done. There's no infinite scroll. I also am subscribed (by chance more or less) to a physical magazine that arrives monthly. I really enjoy it too, the magazine isn't an answer to a question I asked so I always run across something unexpected/new there. Also, like the newspaper, it has a last page and there's no engagement bait because it's Read Only.

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Post by philwelch »

peppermint_gum wrote: post #89

One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…

With practice I’ve found that it’s not hard to tell LLM output from human written content. LLM’s seemed very impressive at first but the more LLM output I’ve seen, the more obvious the stylistic tells have become.

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Post by tonymet »

For those advocating for “dead internet” aka “it was all dogshit anyway” – where is the boundary for non-dogshit information? Presumably everything we consume originated from or is adjacent to content from the internet. Even original content & sources are reading the internet themselves.

Perhaps you are internet aristocracy advocating “Google for thee and arXiv.org for me” . Are the folks writing our peer reviewed studies in an air-gapped compound in the amazon?

You can’t put the sewer next to the water supply and expect the two not to mix together.

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