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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by dgellow »

bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

How is Tesla still considered a startup? It’s a 20 years old company with a 80billion valuation and more than 100k employees

Edit: I even missed a zero, it has a 800billion valuation

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Post by youngtaff »

wozniacki wrote: post #207
hmottestad wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

Let me quickly ask you if Norwegians are seeing the same rates of Tesla mishaps as the rest of the world ( or atleast North America )? If you happened to be unaware all of these Tesla-skeptics ( atleast this latest round of skeptics ) are being buoyed by this Reuters report about major problems Tesla owners have faced off late. One describing a new owner's experience with his spanking new Tesla : "The vehicle’s front…

Don’t understand how that guy ended up paying for the failure as under UK Consumer Law that fault is presumed to be a manufacturing one on a car that new and Tesla should replace the card

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Post by bayindirh »

ryukoposting wrote: post #236
bayindirh wrote: post #110

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I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form. They move fast and break things.

Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

With 162MPH top speed, a Tesla Model 3 is not a slow car by any means, alas it breaks things (which are generally mounted on itself).

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Post by flutas »

croes wrote: post #113
europeanNyan wrote: post #89

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What is there to be fair about? We've had various iterations of GPS navigation for decades now. Yet, most maps on most infotainments are unusable slow pieces of rubbish. UX of various GUIs has been a point of research for a very long time. Yet, they are discovering it as if it was a completely new concept, the concept of touching something and it actually doing something in a short amount of time. It's like they are…

Because these are bonus features and not necessary for driving unlike tires that won't fall off. Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38707589

> Because these are bonus features and not necessary for driving unlike tires that won't fall off.

> Seems like Tesla fails at the core feature of a car.

Thank god the existing manufacturers have this nailed down, like Toyota[0], Dodge [1], Ford[2], Mazda[3], or even high end manufacturers like Lamborghini[4].

[0]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/toyota-recalls-new-ev-over-risk...

[1]: https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/dodge-ram-trucks-recalle...

[2]: https://www.thedrive.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-raptors-recall...

[3]: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/nation-world/2019/07/03/...

[4]: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/lamborghini-aventador-sv-...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

> This is faults found during a scheduled inspection

This implies we need an inspection regime in America. We’ve counted on servicing to catch unsafe cars. I hadn’t thought of that as something that changed.

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Post by seshagiric »

code_runner wrote: post #139
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #134

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>Price drops. Cars depreciate but to have a $10-15K price drop right after I purchased really sucked. For this reason alone, I will never buy a Tesla again. Aren't all cars like that?

They dropped the price of a new model a few times recently which meant used cars dropped that much more. I think that’s what is being referenced here. Otherwise, the (mostly) static nature of Tesla models kept the used Tesla market in decent shape

Yeah, say I brought the car for $70K. 2 weeks later Tesla reduced the price by $12K. So, it's now $58K, and then you add depreciation...If I were to sell the car today (within 1 year of buying) I'd be looking at $35-40K!

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Post by pard68 »

uxp8u61q wrote: post #211
faebi wrote: post #161

Many of these Tesla TÜV inspection faults boil down to surface rust on the braking discs. Tesla's are using regen too much, which let's them accumulate surface rust. This won't fail you in other countries, but it does in Germany since it's part of the braking system. The obvious solution would be a software update to use the breaks occasionally and intensely. I'm disappointed by the TÜV since they do not list the act…

Oh, okay, it's just the brakes that are degraded folks, nothing to see here! ...really? One of the core elements of your car, the one that will kill you if it fails, is degraded, and that's not a big deal? What will it take?

It's not "degraded" if it has rust. Brakes rust if you look at them too hard and then they clear up when you brake again.

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Post by [deleted] »

sfjailbird wrote: post #221
seanieb wrote: post #184

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I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies…

I rented a model 3 yesterday. I generally like the car, but the autopilot* was indeed a big letdown. It would exit cruise control/lane keeping mode occasionally due to 'system error'. This precipitated a DEFCON 5 type emergency with visual and audible alerts, not to mention sudden drop in speed and loss of automatic steering. Even when it runs nominally, it prompts you every 20 seconds or so to apply turning force to…

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Post by elif »

iterati wrote: post #231
audunw wrote: post #49

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I’m surprised that you find the software to be junk.. that’s supposed to be one of their strong points. I found the software on the Model S I borrowed for a trip a while back quite nice. But I guess the issues aren’t surface level?

My partner and I share a Tesla. It's 'mained' under her account. About 25%-50% of the times I enter the driver's seat - it varies depending on the version it's on - it forgets my driver profile and I have to reconfigure the mirrors and seat. This bug was first reported in 2020 IIRC and never fixed. Never buying another Tesla. Their only advantage is the network of superchargers.

Weird. Is your wife's phone nearby by chance? The only time this happens to me it's because we are both walking to the car together and her phone unlocks it before mine does.

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Post by pard68 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #245
arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

> This is faults found during a scheduled inspection This implies we need an inspection regime in America. We’ve counted on servicing to catch unsafe cars. I hadn’t thought of that as something that changed.

Many states (or all the ones I have lived in anyway) have regular, mandatory inspections.
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