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Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by riobard »

bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already.

So you have a Windows Phone for 3 years? Impressed. Must be a hard time.

2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this.

Like chatting with Jabber/Gtalk buddies?

4. Notes. NOTHING on this planet compares to Microsoft's OneNote.

Bloat-wise, sure. For the rest of us who prefer simplicity, SimpleNote/Notation Velocity wins. But I still envy Notes. Why? Because it is synced automatically across all your iOS/OS X devices. You don't even have to keep any app open.

9. Airplay mirroring. Woo yay etc. Windows media player (!) does this with my Sony Bravia with no complaints. I can right click a video file and select "play on Bravia" and it appears on it straight away. This required NO CONFIGURATION and no special boxes. Both have wireless cards in them. No store or DRM available or required.

What about showing your working desktop fullscreen to do a demo on your Bravia?

11. Chinese features. Windows is the mainstream OS in china for a reason (i.e. excellent language support).

Don't get me started on this. It has nothing to do with language support.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by sigzero »

pwthornton wrote: post #129
toni wrote: post #120

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It is unfortunate that AppleTV's video output (out-of-the-box) still does not support true 1080p resolutions and everything is upscaled from 720p.

I expect to see a 1080p Apple TV this year, since the A5 and upcoming A6 can both do 1080p video. The current Apple TV is A4 based, which is limited to 720p. With the new iPad having a resolution above 1080p, Apple finally has a reason to have 1080p iTunes content. Beyond that, Apple may not have wanted to take A5 chips away from the iPhone and iPad to sell in Apple TVs. Now that all of the new iPads and iPhones will…

I will buy a new one. :)

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by LokiSnake »

orionlogic wrote: post #96
pwthornton wrote: post #85

The thing I'm by far the most excited about is AirPlay Mirroring. If I'm reading this correctly, I'll be able to mirror anything from my Mac to my TV using an Apple TV. This will be great for watching Internet videos, going through my iPhoto library with my wife, looking at home videos, etc. All without needing a stupid cable from my couch to my TV. The deeper iCloud integration is also intriguing. I assume this mean…

I am excited as well in AirPlay Mirroring so i watched several times in the demo. It seems video plays with Quicktime. So lot's of video formats are not compatible like mkv's, iso's etc... If somehow i am able to mirror VLC i will run and buy Apple TV at once.

Looking at Apple's page, it seems like it doesn't only mirror output of apps such as Quicktime, but is able to do desktop mirroring, so you can play videos in VLC and mirror the entire screen.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by Someone »

_b8r0 wrote: post #188
batista wrote: post #64

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Back then I had no permission to use a computer ("they make you stupid" was my parents argument) and certainly no credit card to pay anybody to do development - and even then, as a minor I would probably never have gotten that certificate. The computer isn't free either. And you can always build and distribute without the ID or the certificate. This is just for distribution through the App Store or to users that have…

> On the other hand, it stops tons of malware. Signed binaries is considered one of the most successful anti-malware strategies by security experts. Are you saying otherwise? As you've decided to pick anonymous security experts, I thought I'd chip in. I don't know if I'd call myself an expert but I've over a decade in industry breaking systems, fixing software and booting out bad guys, I'm speaking at BlackHat EU nex…

"code signing […] only work if […] they're backed up by something more solid to augment them and they form a stronger coherent strategy."

You mean things like sandboxing and blacklisting? Or do you think this is not (an attempt at) a coherent strategy?

"At this stage all code signing settings will do is encourage developers to get Apple IDs and for customers to use the App store"

It also (even if ever so slightly) decreases the attack surface. It is harder to infect executables if the OS checks the hash of the code every time it is run. Finally, it gives Apple a handle for disabling malware, once it has detected it. That will not prevent malware from infecting systems, but it can make it less likely that machines will keep getting infected for years after the time.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by bwarp »

dasil003 wrote: post #228
bwarp wrote: post #184

Nothing exciting. Let me quantify this before I get shot by the Apple fanboys. I'm not a Microsoft fanboy either but I am not buying the hype and feature sheet. Example: 1. iCloud. Have Windows Live ID and Live Mesh integration in windows for nearly 3 years now. Works across mobile devices already. 2. Messages. Windows Live Messenger has social integration already which is on par with this. 3. Reminders. Windows Live…

I'm not particularly excited about this release, but I gotta think you'd have been better off not calling out the word fanboy here at all, because you really really come off as a Windows fanboy, much more so than any of the responses to you come off as any kind of fanboy, and frankly more than I've seen anywhere in quite some time.

Sorry that was a "sarcastic" intent of the post i.e. to do the comparison as per Mac users do usually on here.

In actual fact I sit in front of a Linux machine neatly occupying the neutral zone :-)

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by bwarp »

wolfgke wrote: post #209
ntkachov wrote: post #195

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You have to remember, Windows Live Essentials (what they call it) doesn't come standard with windows. You need to download it. That said, Apple has long been aiming at standard users and not power users. Apple knows that everything that power users need power users will make themselves or they will find. i/OS/X is geared toward the average consumer. ie. someone who knows nothing about how it works and probably won't…

I believe Microsoft doesn't add this by default, because otherwise it would get into trouble with cartel authorities.

You are probably right. I prefer an additive process i.e. install what I want from a clean install.

Every time I grab a Mac, I have to remove all the crap from it (Garageband, iPhoto etc). It's easier to drop the restore CD in and reinstall it from scratch without all the junk (and don't tell me to just leave it there as it takes up valuable space on an Air SSD).

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by driverdan »

janus wrote: post #106
orionlogic wrote: post #96

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I am excited as well in AirPlay Mirroring so i watched several times in the demo. It seems video plays with Quicktime. So lot's of video formats are not compatible like mkv's, iso's etc... If somehow i am able to mirror VLC i will run and buy Apple TV at once.

If you install Perian, Quicktime supports expands to include many more formats http://perian.org/ But I agree and would welcome the support for VLC too!

Perian has never worked for me. I can't get Xvid or MKVs to play in QT. VLC is the only player I've found for OS X that actually plays everything.

Re: Apple announces Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

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Post by ceejayoz »

brudgers wrote: post #119
Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #63

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Hold on, XCode is free (without a developer login) you could install that and write the app. You can then publish it on websites exactly as you did and those who choose the appropriate security setting can run it. You have a smaller audience yes, but you can still do what you did. And while this doesn't stop Malware, it does raise the bar a little higher. Out of interest how would you feel about it if developer licen…

> "You can then publish it on websites exactly as you did and those who choose the appropriate security setting can run it. " The need for a non-default security setting in order to run the software is a pretty big difference. Requiring a developer license to work with the default security settings - thereby allowing Apple to unilaterally delete your application from your customer's computers without recourse - may o…

> Requiring a developer license to work with the default security settings

Gruber's article says signing will be free. No paid developer program membership required.

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