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Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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Post by CalRobert »

Macha wrote: post #189
CalRobert wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everything must be about increasing profits, but being responsible with the public purse to the benefit of all is a worthy goal. Of course, if you do that you quickly find many car-oriented projects shouldn't have been built in the first place. Also: * It is unkind and unhelpful need to make personal attacks based on the poster's national origin or religion. * A Catholicism-oriented email provider doesn't mean th…

> * A Catholicism-oriented email provider doesn't mean they're from the US. For instance, they might live in Ireland, another country with horrifically bad urban design and a lot of Catholic people I'm sure you're aware since you live here, but for the benefit of other HN users, Catholics in Ireland and Catholics as perceived by US media are quite different. US media perceives Catholics as one of the more conservativ…

Certainly, but my point is that it's still entirely possible they're not in the US. Plenty of Catholics throughout the Americas for one thing.

Also if you come to the midlands you'll find a huge number of "Jesus I Trust in You" sacred heart posters all over the damn place. I've been asked if I'm C or P more than I ever expected. Our neighbours told us they were Catholic within literally 10 seconds of meeting us. They tried to suss out what we are by asking where our kids go to school - they fancy themselves clever. But maybe that's what I get for moving to Offaly.

Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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Post by [deleted] »

Moldoteck wrote: post #115
trabant00 wrote: post #22

Why can't we support and encourage cycling without vilifying cars in these threads? I've seen plenty of places that do both very well, like Spain. Everybody has a car and bicycle (at least one) and uses whatever fits the purpose at the time. I get it, when there's not cycling infrastructure everybody is forced to take the car even if it doesn't make any sense, like for short trips, good weather, single passenger, no…

there is one thing I hate more than a car and thats loud motorcycles that ruin everybody's peace

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Re: Europe’s Longest Bicycling Tunnel Opens in Norway

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Post by neurostimulant »

Hanschri wrote: post #98

Bergen municipality released a 25 minute video[0] of the bike ride through the tunnel and into the downtown area of Bergen. If 'sakte TV' or slow TV is something you like, I could also recommend checking out The Bergen Line minute by minute[1], which is a seven hour broadcast of the train going between Bergen and Oslo. A peaceful and beautiful train ride. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42q15E2YE8Y [1]: https://…

Is there any reason why the tunnel is curved instead of straight? It's probably cheaper if it were straight (less rock to dig), so there must be a reason for the curve.

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Post by prmoustache »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #240
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #208

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There's also the very poorly designed Inderhavnsbro bridge. It looks nice enough, but they just made some dumb choices in how they've laid it out. https://www.archdaily.com/868904/copenhagens-latest-piece-of...

The old bridges are about same size, and prettier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magere_Brug . However this would be a much larger bridger goes over a much larger river that need to support frequent travel of large boats.

I think pretty is subjective. I am not a fan soulless all modern cities. For example I once went to Almere in the Netherlands and I found it quite depressing.

But on the other hand I like cities which keep very old building and pieces of architectures alongside much more modern ones and I think you can always discuss details but Copenhagen is generally a good example of that. Having said that I have not known Copenhagen in the 1960-1970's so maybe older people would tell me it was much prettier back then.

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Post by Tade0 »

yakireev wrote: post #167
Tade0 wrote: post #47

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In suppose it's not a question of money, but the lack people willing to take such a position. It's not a glamorous job and most have better things to do with their time.

Would you take that job for 50k/year? I wouldn't. Would you take it for 500k/year? I would. So, it is a question of money at the end of the day.

Not in any realistic scenario, no.

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Post by ubercore »

tyfon wrote: post #223
ubercore wrote: post #110

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Welcome to western Norway. Bring a raincoat!

Not just a raincoat, I've had snow, sunny summer, storm gusts, hail and rain on the same day just this week, I'm int he SW though not entirely west. I remember one time a few years back when I lived in Stavanger, I went to the post office in the city center there in a bright nice summer day and came out to torrential rain and rivers in the street!

I'm in Stavanger as well. The weather is pretty interesting here.

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Post by davegri »

I find it genuinely hilarious that we need to consult with a psychologist to create a place with a comforting atmosphere. As if what makes a place feel nice and comfortable is some kind of theoretical knowledge we just don't have access too. It's a miracle we regular old people avoid creating horrible and uncomfortable living spaces for ourselves.

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Post by goodpoint »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #187
goodpoint wrote: post #118

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> It sounds very nice and morally fulfilling to denigrate any numerical calculus of welfare Many of those "numerical calculus" measure only savings in time, fuel, etc and attribute ZERO value to saving lives, improving quality of life and even improving mental health. Such calculations are not pragmatic, they are highly ideological.

Ideologues everywhere use statistics as a pretext for their lies. Water is wet. More breaking news at 11.

You are missing the point completely.

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Post by goodpoint »

bombcar wrote: post #224
goodpoint wrote: post #99

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> Bridges are designed for extreme loads, including pessimistic pattern loading, and the requirements for pedestrian bridges aren’t any less safety critical. In terms of maximum load you are right, but wear and tear is completely different. Trucks are terrible, pedestrians and bikes have zero impact.

> Trucks are terrible, pedestrians and bikes have zero impact. Truck loading is very large, but pedestrians do have a non-zero impact - look at the solid marble steps of ancient buildings, for example.

That's some pointless nitpicking. Ok, humans have near-zero impact to the point of needing double-digit decades to erode a surface. Happy now?

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Post by bilqis »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #128
bilqis wrote: post #28

Petrostate mega projects.

30 million for a 3 km tunnel; hardly megaproject. Some back of the napkin math: That's around .6% of just income tax from Bergen; hardly petrostate.

I’m not talking only about this specific tunnel. Norway spends quite a number of their petro dollars to make tunnels in the middle of nowhere to another middle id nowhere.
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