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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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The kind of dark pattern bullshit and anti-usability mess Spotify has become I would rather see Spotify die. Not to mention the “Spotify only” podcasts.

While we are at it we should point out Spotify has no clear ways to export your listening history, playlists etc that you can easily recreate on other portals.

It’s not a fight for equality. It’s an attempt by Spotify to be more equal than others.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. Seriously. At the end of the day all of these companies would do the exact same thing as Apple if they were in Apple's position. The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those, then you can be free of the duopoly. Other than using phone specific features, why can't all apps run on your desktop, laptop or elsewhere? I'll never get…

> Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. I personally don't like it and will not stop buying apple phones. The CPU's on an iPhone are far ahead of Android. I could buy either the Pixel 4 or the iPhone 11 for the same $450 price a month after launch from my carrier. single-thread geekbench: iPhone 11 (September 2019): 1311 Pixel 4 (October 2019): 662 Pixel 7 (October 2022): 1058 The geekbench for the Pixel 7 is 1051…

And also an iPhone has at least 5 years of guaranteed updates

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Nothing about that article actually describes any harm done. It's often called the Golden Age of Hollywood, and many of the greatest movies of all time were made under the studio system. It's not even clear that the collusion increased ticket prices. Recently, in fact, the decrees have been reversed. Studios are allowed to own movie theaters again. I'm just curious why you picked that one. There are many better cases…

I pick that one because there's always arguments that Apple is not a monopoly (just switch to Android) therefore other examples of dangers of monopolies don't apply. The studio system was multiple oligopolies and not a monopoly. I think it parallels the current smartphone app market more. The decrees were reversed because they served their purpose and studios no longer have oligopolies, not because there were new fin…

I’m old enough to remember the Microsoft monopoly. 2022 Apple isn’t like that at all.

Back in the 90s, telling someone to just buy a Mac, was a joke. No one had macs, besides schools, but even those went away. Apps simply didn’t exist on Mac. Files couldn’t even be transferred between machines because the floppies were formatted differently. To not use a windows PC, was an actual burden.

Now let’s compare to 2022 Apple. You don’t want an iPhone, get an android. They’re literally everywhere phones are sold, and you can even egg them for free with a service contract. So what do you lose if switch to it? FaceTime? Um… okay. What popular apps aren’t on android? I honestly don’t know. Even the built in iOS apps, have equivalents that are often even installed on iPhones. Everything else is the web.

There’s no lock in.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I like being able to trust my device and my kids device, if you wan't something to hack on get a pinephone or something the reality is that billions of people need to trust their phones with their most personal information, fininaces and lives and apple's policies while sometimes annoying do a lot to build that trust they aren't a big secret and if you don't like it you're free to not buy their products

Did your kids also have a free choice to get another device instead?

Sure, if they're buying...

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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The way I see it the users have two crappy options based on business model: 1) Apple's freedom from inspection: they control your device and their ecosystem because they make money off the ecosystem. The take a cut of the phone/computer/watch you buy then anything you buy in their ecosystem because the ecosystem is their product. Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. 2) Google…

> Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. I beg to differ. Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33736259

My understanding around how this works (and I might be wrong!) is that Apple tracks a variety of usage on device and your device itself knows which ad to serve, versus say Google or Facebook collating your data on their own servers.

I'd not be surprised to learn there was some level of phoning home though.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Sharecroppers complaining that the land baron has stacked the deck in his own favour. Spotify and Twitter began life on the web, not in the app store. No feature they offer requires a native app. Hence there was no reason to corral half the US userbase into someone else's pen and leave them there for over a decade. Epic has already gone to court on this matter (re: Fortnite on App Store) and lost. And Fortnite wasn't…

Epic hasn't lost. The case remains ongoing as far as I know.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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for me personally I don't care about it on my phone either way, I do on my laptop/desktop

So again, how does an option to open the device affect you in any way?

A big part of what makes the Apple ecosystem so compelling is the consistency and coherence.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#249

The kind of dark pattern bullshit and anti-usability mess Spotify has become I would rather see Spotify die. Not to mention the “Spotify only” podcasts. While we are at it we should point out Spotify has no clear ways to export your listening history, playlists etc that you can easily recreate on other portals. It’s not a fight for equality. It’s an attempt by Spotify to be more equal than others.

I don't think any major streaming platform has a way to export your playlists without some kind of 3rd party tool

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#250

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I really hope that in 10 years we don't all have cars, that'll be a mega failing
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