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Nobody said that.

By claiming censorship, it's implied that they deserve a platform, and to not have that taken away from them. You can't censor someone without a platform.

That's like saying pushing an object implies that it has a right to stand still. Censorship is simply when something is suppressed or prohibited. Whether or not you think the censorship is merited is a matter of opinion, not inherit to the word's definition.

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So they are entirely fine with distributing pirated material, but a forum is too much? Reminds me to never to donate to them. I won't support censorious fascists.

I'm aware this is headed into No True Scotsman territory, but what pirated material is IA "entirely fine" with distributing? AFAIK their official position has always been to honor DMCA takedown requests -- I occasionally see PDFs of obscure but still-in-copyright books that users upload. But the high profile collections, such as public domain movies, seem pretty clear of infringing material.

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How many times have people been ridiculed to the point of suicide by their peers on Facebook, Twitter, etc? Should those sites be taken offline too?

If the idea is to take down sites where doxxing and harassment occur, these should be the first targets.

KF has, at most, 3 deaths debatably attributable to them.

A dozen children died because of the Tide Pod challenge-- and that's just one campaign. We could talk about planking falls, cinnamon poisonings and more if you like. That's before we get to the rise in runaways and child exploitation directly attributable to the "legitimate" platforms. Kids are being solicited on Roblox FFS.

How does a community of bullies deliberately targeting (internet celebrities) have a lower kill count and merit higher priority than a handful of individuals conspicuously encouraging ignorant children to engage in lethal acitivities?

This is clearly a crusade.

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On articles like that one, the Talk page is a far more realistic view of the subject than the actual page.

I'd be cautious. One of the people editing these articles has extremely high Wikipedia privileges yet has publicly campaigned for the elimination of the site. There is absolutely no neutrality here.

I find myself growing more weary and concerned about Wikipedia's bureaucracy and politics. I'm not sure if I'm merely losing my naivete or the Wikimedia Foundation's integrity is in fact decaying.

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There were no dumps of bank account numbers. As far as I saw, Kiwi Farms users posted only publicly-available info about thread subjects. In my opinion, certain categories of public yet personally-identifying information should be covered by US law in a way similar to HIPAA. However, that is not currently the case. Also, info like someone's phone number and home address are only a click away once you have their full…

It's easily verifiable that bank details were shared on KF. It's also easily verifiable to see that non-public information about folks was posted, especially when real details were posted about folks commonly known by their pseudonyms online. Whether it's legal or not is unimportant. My question is for the internet archive: is it ethical for them to knowingly rehost dumps of PII? Just because it's public doesn't mean…

> It's easily verifiable that bank details were shared on KF.

How? The site is down and now the archives are too. This strikes me as a bizarre lie.

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Can somebody explain the back story? What is Kiwi Farms?

I have no experience as a user, but I've heard about it in the past and have been following the keffals story. From my understanding it was a site largely dedicated too, or encouraging, or at a minimum allowing people to dox trans people and harass them by contacting employers/friends/family etc with pedophilia accusations. Keffals has been lobbying Cloudflare to drop hosting/DDOS protection for them after being forc…

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This isn't "shit dropping" off of the net.. This was the result of a true harassment campaign that finally resulted in a faux appeal to danger to literally force a completely legal site offline via illegal DDoS attack. (The stated goal of the media cheered campaign) And now an attempt to erase it's history. You're right that it isn't a precursor to some horrible dystopian future of corporate control.. because it is a…

> a true harassment campaign People protesting a company is not "harassment". (Disclaimer: I'm an investor in Cloudflare) > a faux appeal to danger Law enforcement has been involved. > a completely legal site Yeah, no, at best it's in the black part of a very grey area until the slow US legal system catches up with the case. > via illegal DDoS attack Their various hosts dropped them. One of those hosts happened to al…

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Re: Kiwi Farms has been removed from the Internet Archive

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Can somebody explain the back story? What is Kiwi Farms?

Web forum spun up to harass an intellectually disabled man into ruin (for those following along at home, objective: achieved), and then proceeded to attempt to ruin the lives of other people as well.

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post #93

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Yes. I provided a link you can click on, but you can also go to the Kiwi Farms Wikipedia page that catalogs victims killed and nearly killed by Kiwi Farms harassment campaigns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

I've never seen this alleged "suicide counter" on the website, though I've only looked at it closely in the past couple weeks. The site owner posted this rebuttal to assignment of blame for these suicides, which I find compelling. For instance, the widow of one victim decried Vice News (one source referenced in the article) for using her death to attack Kiwi Farms: https://archive.ph/XNQYY

The "suicide count" in question was in one user's mini-bio (the bit below someone's profile pic where they can put custom text - not sure what that's called). Keffals' claim that it's a site "feature" is deceitful and that multiple users had it is an outright falsehood.
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