A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter • Hacker News Board

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by srvmshr » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:13 PM UTC

WatchDog wrote: post #224

srvmshr wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit admins are part of the problem in addition to the users. I actively used to participate in r/machinelearning with long posts & explanations, but the admins show often some favoritism to their buddy posters & I have seen good posts get called out or viciously dissed by regulars. Everyone seems to have an 'active duty Superman' complex desperate to pounce on each other & prove them wrong. The sarcasm is toxic be…

Not to detract from your story, but it sounds like you are talking about subreddit moderators, not reddit admins. Subreddit moderators are unpaid and only control content on the subreddits they moderate, whereas admins are reddit employees and have full administration powers. There are problems that come from both of them, however moderators are often the petty power hungry types.

Thank you. Yes that's what I meant. I have been out of the loop long enough to miss these terminology details. Thank you for correcting.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by karaterobot » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:13 PM UTC

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #26

I'm in Thailand and just get this message: We've discontinued servicing users from your location and are thereby preventing access to any of the websites owned and operated by ZAM Network, LLC DBA Fanbyte (the owner of Fanbyte.com): This decision is ultimately one we were forced to make due to the number of visitors from your region when compared to the operational costs necessary to continue providing access there.…

I was Googling around for why this might be. The best I can guess is that it has to do with the Thai PDPA (Personal Data Protection Act) that recently started getting enforced. This is the equivalent to the EU's GDPR act, but whereas it might be worth it to Fanbyte to take steps to comply with GDPR, the Thai market may not be a big enough part of their readership. This is just speculation.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by piva00 » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:13 PM UTC

est31 wrote: post #235

spinny wrote: post #174

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Not to mention the Orwellian proposition: "delete the pic we deemed wrong so we can unban you". Apparently it's hard to just delete the offending pic, it's better to teach you a lesson and make you do it. There are four lights

Personally I prefer getting a message "delete this please" instead of some of my messages/pictures/etc. silently disappearing without me noticing. Ideally, they would make the pic not available to other users, but still available to me, and notify me that my account will get banned in $N days. Ideally, during that phase there would be the option to pay some minor amount of money and ask to get a human moderator invol…

> Ideally, they would make the pic not available to other users, but still available to me, and notify me that my account will get banned in $N days. During that phase you might even pay some minor amount of money and ask to get a human moderator involved to review your case.

This would just become another revenue stream given enough time and changes of leadership around such a system. Treading a thin line on just how abusive they can be on the review process to extract money, it would be chock full of perverse incentives.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by ricardobayes » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:13 PM UTC

lebed2045 wrote: post #50

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

I’m ex Facebook software engineer (even had selfie with Zuckerberg as the avatar picture) who got banned on Facebook. Up to this day I have no clue what for. But it’s extremely annoying because I lost lots of photos that I didn’t back up and close to thousand contracts of people. Users should definitely own this data, not a corporation.

Someone maybe disliked you in your old team

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by starkd » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:14 PM UTC

SSLy wrote: post #217

starkd wrote: post #165

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But could that be Fanbyte's way of dealing with a specific country's laws? Perhaps they don't have the manpower and those countries are small enough that the only cost effective option is to just not operate in those countries.

Somehow it's only Fanbyte that have this problem with people in Turkey / Serbia etc. Why has no other publisher went to such measures?

But different companies can make entirely different business decisions in such situations. Another company may decide devoting extra resources is worth it. It is a subjective value assessment that can go either way.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by jwolfe » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:15 PM UTC

serf wrote: post #176

mikkergp wrote: post #113

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When you say moderate without AI are you suggesting human moderation? This is not really a good solution to this problem either. Paying people to traumatize themselves by watching video after video or reading tweet after tweet of the worst content society has to offer is dehumanizing.

>reading tweet after tweet of the worst content society has to offer is dehumanizing. so is being a human being told that you're in the wrong by a robot that obviously has the wrong idea about the situation, but one side is paid to do it and is offered therapy and counseling. aside : spare the human by using an AI for the first part; appeals need to be handled by humans. If the issue is the exposure to hatemail then…

The issue is not exposure to hatemail.

The issue is exposure to child pornography and videos of people literally dying, all day every day. These are not comparable to the pain of being banned, and therapy is nowhere near sufficient.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebo...

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by lkrubner » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:15 PM UTC

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

>> I would love to know a way this can be solved as its painting a depressing picture.

It's possible that the answer is for society to simply go back in the other direction. Despite the initial promise of the Internet, it's possible it will never function as the new public square. Rather, we might have to go back to more traditional methods of expression, in physical spaces, or writing letters to elected officials.

Or perhaps a body of ethics could be developed similar to the body of ethics that guides journalists. But that body of ethics, for journalists, grew up at a time when the USA had many thousands of newspapers, and none were dominant, so the power of the profession was balanced against the relatively small power of any one newspaper. This was back before the New York Times and the Washington Post emerged as national papers. It would be more difficult to develop a similar body of ethics for social media, since the whole space has already consolidated down to 4 major corporations, and there is no obvious profession that can assert a body of ethics independently of those 4 companies.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by myrmidon » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:17 PM UTC

The wording of his appeal sounds extremely unhelpful and needlessly personally insulting to me.

I'd strongly advise not to ever communicate as if you were talking to the unfeeling corporation itself- because in reality, you are adressing a person that you need to solve your problem and calling them "impossibly dense" is just a bad move.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by suction » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:17 PM UTC

OrangeMonkey wrote: post #12

This is how big tech does damage to humans. Love it or hate it, the online world is our current public square. A public square, in the united states, has typically been an area where people can shout out their concerns or whatever they want to anyone who can listen and the government cannot stop it. Currently, our public squares are owned by private megacorporations that not only ban people for reasons many people ag…

I only ever hear complaints from far-right people who want their speech to be free-er than other people’s or entities.

Re: A clip from Stray got me banned from Twitter

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Post by drdec » Sat, Jul 23, 2022, 3:18 PM UTC

carbadtraingood wrote: post #142

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #115

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I'm surprised to hear there's that much regulation in Thailand (if it's true). I do know a couple porn sites are blocked here though I own a site that's monetized primarily off display ads and I can tell you that advertising revenue in those countries is abysmally low so they probably just don't want to expend any effort to support those countries

Thailand has laws about how one can talk about the king, right? Maybe there's no safe harbor provisions for websites, and a site this size is too small to fight, but big enough to attract attention?

It sounds like they aren't basing it on how much regulation the jurisdiction has, but whether the jurisdiction brings in enough revenue to justify reviewing the regulation in the first place. Even if there is no regulation, you need a lawyer to tell you that.