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Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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I believe the government promised not to ever reduce GPS resolution some 15 years ago, and new satellites supposedly do not even have the ability to do so.

Oh my sweet summer child.

I am old enough to recall when they did so post-9/11.

The US government would never give up such a capability, that would be out of character for them. But they would sure as hell pretend like they did, which is very much in character.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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Could this just be a simple case of GPS jamming?

seems like it was a cellular dead zone or a nearby cell tower was getting maintained. I think these cars rely on constant connection to a central server.

If so, they have a massive design flaw!

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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> Public transportation could take the form of government-owned fleets of self-driving electric cars It absolutely could not, here simply is not enough space for all those cars. A heavy rail metro line can carry up to 60 thousand passengers per hour per direction, which is the equivalent of a 30 lane highway.

> A heavy rail metro line can carry up to 60 thousand passengers per hour per direction, which is the equivalent of a 30 lane highway. Where did this stat come from? Caltrain fits about 650 and couldn’t possibly run once per 45 seconds to achieve that.

Caltrain lists over 1000 people on board in Sunnyvale and that's with only 5-6 cars: https://www.caltrain.com/media/3442/download?inline. Add more cars, improve signaling and boarding and a train every ~2 minutes seems entirely reasonable for the route capacity of heavy rail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Route_capacity

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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If a dealer listed something as included, and it was not, I would be beyond livid, and they would be giving me a full refund.

It was a used car and the dealer was not Tesla.

So? If advertised with a feature, it is incumbent on the seller to provide a product with that feature.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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There is currently some kind of geomagnetic storm which is causing a lot of GPS tracks to be offset over the past few days. It's all over the running/cycling forums. Could be related, here's an example: https://old.reddit.com/r/Garmin/comments/vo17e2/the_magnetic...

That is most definitely not it, these vehicles have localization modules that rely on lidar point cloud matching, gps is generally only used for bootstrapping that process but is technically not even needed.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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The fact that they all stopped at one intersection, suggests to me that it's a deadlock issue. "You go". "No, you go". "No, really, I insist".

It looks like they are all trying to turn right and it only needed one car to block them from turning.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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We could have the same fear with all these satellites being shot up into space. Couldn't they all start raining down on earth with some poor calculations or coding mistakes in the course-correction software? I don't know enough about this stuff to know if this is a realistic thing or just the premise of a bad sci-fi movie.

1 - they burn in atmosphere 2 - each satellite is under observation by a team 3 - how many satellites do you think are there actually? Not that many, unlike the driverless cars we are setting up nowadays 4 - Earth is actually big. Satellite pouring down all at once and you'll have maximum like 100 casualties - worse case scenario if 1). doesn't happen. Cars OTOH are in busy cities. One battery to explode and can easi…

How many? I figured thousands. When I looked it up, there are several thousand. I saw numbers between 4k and 8k. However, the rate of launches seems to be increasing and is over 1k per year now. Musk says he is looking for have 45k up there just for Starlink, and they won't be the only company looking to do stuff like that. So it doesn't seem unreasonable that the number would be in the hundreds of thousands in the not too distant future.

I had heard about the rate at which Starlink was launching stuff a while back which is likely what put that idea in my head.

Re: Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

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We could have the same fear with all these satellites being shot up into space. Couldn't they all start raining down on earth with some poor calculations or coding mistakes in the course-correction software? I don't know enough about this stuff to know if this is a realistic thing or just the premise of a bad sci-fi movie.

Satellites would, I assume, burn up on re-enter if they happened to de-orbit. I'm more worried about them banging into one another and surrounding the Earth in an impenetrable debris field that makes future space exploration/travel nearly impossible - IMO that would be a death sentence for all of us.

Maybe Team Seas can pivot to space once they take care of the oceans.
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