Driverless robotaxi fleet paralyzed for hours in San Francisco

Post by IG_Semmelweiss » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:16 AM UTC

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #110

jjulius wrote: post #96

With all of the talk, usually around Teslas but I suppose it applies to all EVs, that I've seen over the years akin to, "Just imagine how safe driving will be when every vehicle is FSD and can talk to one another," I have to ask... shouldn't we anticipate seeing similar issues to this in that scenario? I mean yeah, there will be different manufacturers so it's not like every car in a city could come to a standstill.…

Every new technological advance brings with it new possibilities for human creativity, and sharing if experience and knowledge. And new ways for us to better destroy ourselves and each other. Imagine, say, a pandemic like lockdown, but now only authorised vehicles may travel at certain times, or at all, and that software is buggy, or gets hacked, or used malevolently by one or another political faction.

Post by m463 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:18 AM UTC

LeoPanthera wrote: post #95

bigiain wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except for when Tesla find out you've bought it 2nd hand, and revoke the FSD... (Or, you know, when you get into a Twitter shitslinging match with Elon...)

It's so tiresome that this (mostly false) story keeps coming up. The short version of the truth: The original owner did not buy AP. AP was enabled because of a bug. The dealer listed it as having AP included because, at the time, it was enabled. When ownership was transferred, the glitch was corrected, and AP was removed. The new owner bitched very loudly to the press, and Tesla restored AP to the car, for free, even…

Post by gridspy » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:19 AM UTC

makeitdouble wrote: post #126

37ef_ced3 wrote: post #92

From a customer's perspective, it isn't clear that a software taxi driver is in any way better than a human taxi driver, particularly with (human) driver assist preventing collisions and all the other warnings provided by a modern car. In both cases someone else is driving for the customer. With a human driver (plus driver assist braking and collision warnings) you have the most flexible, sophisticated intelligence o…

> From a customer's perspective, it isn't clear that a software taxi driver is in any way better than a human taxi driver The taxi driver having 0% chance of raping or stealing you would be prominent a clear win. Or really any of many many other issues you could have with an actual human person with a specific world view and social position interacting with you. Not even considering if you yourself have specific shor…

Post by AlotOfReading » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:20 AM UTC

aqfamnzc wrote: post #120

AlotOfReading wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Background: I formerly worked at Cruise and specifically wrote large parts of the GNSS data pipeline. I would be surprised if that were the cause. Fine localization should be able to resolve without GNSS input (with caveats) and there are specific tested requirements to be able to tolerate a certain number of minutes of outage even in the absence of LIDAR before position accuracy degrades beyond acceptable limits. It…

For fine localization, are they using dead reckoning with steering angle and vehicle speed instead of GNSS?

Post by al_borland » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 2:23 AM UTC

synicalx wrote: post #105

jjulius wrote: post #96

With all of the talk, usually around Teslas but I suppose it applies to all EVs, that I've seen over the years akin to, "Just imagine how safe driving will be when every vehicle is FSD and can talk to one another," I have to ask... shouldn't we anticipate seeing similar issues to this in that scenario? I mean yeah, there will be different manufacturers so it's not like every car in a city could come to a standstill.…

> "Just imagine how safe driving will be when every vehicle is FSD and can talk to one another," Some genius 10x'er forgets to carry the 1 or something, and all of a sudden an entire city full of cars all collide with pedestrians all at once.