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Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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Because as long as you can do one, you have no reason to do the other if you are not philosophically inclined to. They are absolutely at odds with each other.

> if you are not philosophically inclined to You can be pushed by shareholders/public opinion, in the same way they get pushed to be environmentally or privacy conscious

It's naive to think that a push by environmental/conscious reasons is as strong as one by the money.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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More likely we will get regulation making smart, connected devices mandatory for one reason or another.

>for one reason or another. energy consumption

I'd expect them to be more creative, but energy consumption's gonna do I guess

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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The day that I install any amazon sidewalk enabled device in my home is the day I hang up my hat and resign in shame, as a network engineer who's been building internet infrastructure since 1999. It's so gross and wrong. amazon doesn't get a free ride on my residential internet service or arbitrary use of radio spectrum in my home. note: I also have no smart doorbells, cloud connected security cameras, internet enabl…

I have a similar feeling and I am quite pessimistic about the future in this regard. Currently, I have been able to avoid it pretty well, but appliances break and need replacing, and I suspect there will be a day where I cannot find a washing machine that isn't "smart", much less a car!

>... and I suspect there will be a day where I cannot find a washing machine that isn't "smart"...

What's worse is you'll have to have a monthly subscription to their service or it won't work.

I bet there are people just salivating at the thought of all that MRR.

Our future is one in which we don't own a damn thing. We're all renters.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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I have a similar feeling and I am quite pessimistic about the future in this regard. Currently, I have been able to avoid it pretty well, but appliances break and need replacing, and I suspect there will be a day where I cannot find a washing machine that isn't "smart", much less a car!

You should support organizations fighting for the user freedom, e.g., https://fsf.org .

Agreed.

But damn, that's a short list.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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It is polarizing though. There are a lot of people who will get positively offended at the notion that their wireless earbuds are not perfect. One of the things that biases is that they hear the others OK, so assume the earbuds are fine. What needs digging is to understand that when somebody has open mike like that, most meeting software engages heavy noise reduction or even half-duplex conversation; so there's a lot…

Oh man, the half-duplex conversation is terrible. If people start cutting off whenever someone else speaks, I tell them to wear headphones, but I really don't understand how headphones + push-to-talk isn't standard for everyone by now.

It's the difference between:

1. Grouchy geek who wants to optimize

2. Cheerful regular person who thinks everything is great (*and doesn't really want to bother)

As well, it reminds me of how everybody believes themselves to be a great driver. Try getting advanced driving school gift certificate to a friend, family or special someone - they almost universally find it insulting and offensive. "I've been driving for 20 years!". (sure, what new skill have you learned or worked on in last 19.8 years?)

Similarly, no matter how kindly I suggest headset, I invariably hear some variation of angry "I do this for a living, trust me" or a strangely patronizing "No, this works great".

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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You should support organizations fighting for the user freedom, e.g., https://fsf.org .

Agreed. But damn, that's a short list.

https://edri.org, https://eff.org. There are more.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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> Still, the value of a network of iDevices with "default on airtag tracking" is just so huge What kind of value is that? We've been living very well without it for decades and it sounds like that tech is a very powerful enabler of stalkers while providing little value to the average person. > Issues like this battery drain are of course unacceptable but I trust that that will be fixed by Apple. How could you fix it?…

> > Still, the value of a network of iDevices with "default on airtag tracking" is just so huge > What kind of value is that? We've been living very well without it for decades and it sounds like that tech is a very powerful enabler of stalkers while providing little value to the average person. I got my shoulder bag, kindle, passport, notepad, medicine, and cdc vax card back after they were stolen from me thanks to…

A relative with Alzheimer’s can reliably find their possessions from their watch despite no longer having the mental faculty to remember where they are.

Perhaps they provide no value to the “average” person (as if that is a thing), but they are invaluable to many.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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> if you are not philosophically inclined to You can be pushed by shareholders/public opinion, in the same way they get pushed to be environmentally or privacy conscious

It's naive to think that a push by environmental/conscious reasons is as strong as one by the money.

Ironic given the original reason that GNU exists is not monetary.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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I am pro open-source, decentralization, etc, all the things. Still, the value of a network of iDevices with "default on airtag tracking" is just so huge, and if they convince me (and they did) that they handle my data properly (or rather they don't handle it at all), I'm fine with it. Issues like this battery drain are of course unacceptable but I trust that that will be fixed by Apple.

So you are pro open-source, but you are supporting a company which actively fights it.

I'm not very principled about it (anymore at least). I like Apple for privacy and quality. But the back-end for my phone is NextCloud/Wireguard and Signal for messaging. I actively use Matrix and use Castamatic for podcasts (including lightning payments to creators). So I'm a fairly pro opensource/decentralization guy, but I need some apps and I want stuff to work reliably and fast. I tried Android with MicroG, it does not work for me, or rather, I'm not willing to make such a large concession for my "ideologies".

Edit: I know where you are coming from, and I respect and understand it. But to me maximum freedom is allowing devs and creators to set their own terms for allowing use of their products (nobody is forced in that scenario). If it's GPL/MIT/BSD, I think that is absolutely great. But I also respect you if you don't and I may use your software if feel I can trust you.

Re: Apple AirTags draining battery of devices close by

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It's naive to think that a push by environmental/conscious reasons is as strong as one by the money.

Ironic given the original reason that GNU exists is not monetary.

Why is this ironic? It just proves my point: how large is GNU and how large is Apple?
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