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Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by seanp2k2 »

dpweb wrote: post #218
throwaway1777 wrote: post #68

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Politics plain and simple. COVID protocols are very unpopular at this point and not every effective. Florida and Texas are having big inflows, california and New York huge outflows. Whatever your viewpoint this is the fact politicians see. And yes taxes and cost of living are a huge driving force not only COVID, but as long as remote work goes on people will keep moving to low cost of living and low tax states.

People are leaving for FL and TX cause taxes you add in the salt deduction change its considerable. Have lived in FL TX and NY. Add in weather and TX and FL are actually nice places to live for the most part.

…aside from the flooding in both places that will decrease property values dramatically over the next few decades, I guess. Less of a concern if renting and if you don’t mind the prospect of potentially getting all your belongings destroyed at some point in the future.

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Post by r2_pilot »

ghaff wrote: post #196
dylan604 wrote: post #180

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Lots of constituents don't want to wear a seatbelt. Lots of constituents want to drink before the age of 21. Lots of constituents want to buy alcohol after midnight and on a Sunday before noon. Lots of constituents want lots of things that the reps clearly ignore. Where do you draw the line of "as it should be" and "those damn gov't bastards!!"?

The evidence probably supports that if the majority of constituents support something that isn't clearly unconstitutional it does tend to happen. See weed legalization in many states which at least in Massachusetts passed in a ballot question with the legislature kicking and screaming through the whole process.

Yet in Mississippi when we had a ballot initiative for medicinal marijuana supported by 2/3rds of everyone, not only did they not pass legislation then (it's tepidly being addressed now, over a year later), but the Mississippi Supreme Court stripped us of our citizen's ballot initiatives because of poorly written legislation in the 90s, which also hasn't been corrected over a year later. But I don't claim to live in a representative democracy these days anyway.

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Post by seanp2k2 »

birken wrote: post #217
tharne wrote: post #202

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> Do you think the Omicron wave might have had more to do with the COVID restrictions than the VA governor's race? I don't. The case numbers in many, if not most areas, are still higher than they were during the delta wave in the Summer and Fall that led to the lockdowns and restrictions being implemented in the first place. If this were truly just about the data then you'd expect the restrictions to lift once the ca…

The peak of the delta wave was 160k cases/day, and the current case levels are ~52k/day. So given that, you think most areas are having higher case loads than the peak of the delta wave? You just aren't look at the data. There is also strong reason to believe that right after a huge wave is over you can expect a relatively smooth period of time to follow since so many people will have extra immunity from having recov…

a source: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailycases_...

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Post by mkr-hn »

jjulius wrote: post #73
jb1991 wrote: post #44

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That stat has been widely reported, in the U.S. at least. There are more deaths from Covid occurring currently in the U.S. on an average daily basis that at any prior time in the pandemic. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/24/health/covid-deaths-now-y... NY Times, Washington Post, and other media have similar stories.

From your article: >The people dying from Covid-19 now tend to be younger than before, and they're overwhelmingly unvaccinated, experts say. To be honest, I'm at the point now where the vaccine has been available for a year. Everyone who was going to get it has had it, and you're not likely to change the minds of those who won't get it. As heartless as this sounds, I'm tired of waiting for those people to come around…

That's one approach. Another is to pay attention to what they're saying and try a different approach to persuasion. It turns out it's not actually that hard to convince a lot of them if you just treat them like human beings. Perhaps even enough to achieve herd immunity and moot the rest.

A good recent video on the subject with something resembling science: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va0RCgbywGc

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Post by waah »

nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

As hospital occupancy goes down, the major public health reason for restrictions goes down as well.

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Post by BrianOnHN »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #232
thisiscorrect wrote: post #69

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It's interesting to consider the group psychology aspect. During the 2020 summer protests, many also said that the huge crowds were not spreading covid. Maybe this is similar. When there is a larger issue people are focusing on, concerns about covid get pushed to the backburner. The real test will come when the Ukraine-Russia war subsides.

"huge crowds were not spreading covid OUTDOORS" is the right take. Indoors is a recycled hellscape of germs. Viral load is a real thing. I went to several outdoor concerts and didn't catch covid however I'm going to continue to work remote.

It's easier to believe the singular "COVID isn't real" than it is to understand the plurality of viral load, HVAC, particulate sizes, mask ratings...

That's the challenge.

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Post by lazide »

briandear wrote: post #195
lazide wrote: post #67

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Covid sucks. My toddler (for various shitty reasons I was unable to prevent) got it three times in the last 12 months. Even vaccinated (and never testing positive), the immune response I got from taking care of a highly infectious toddler screaming in my face was terrible and really brutal. I’m not old, fully functional immune system, etc. and it had me out for weeks, brain fog, exhaustion, off and on high fever, you…

> If I hadn’t been fully vaccinated just before the first time he got it, I’d probably be dead. Statistically speaking, that isn’t true.

Statistically, people don’t have a screaming peak infectious toddler in their face without a mask let alone proper PPE for an hour+ (before I could even attempt basic precautions).

Statistically, Li Wenliang shouldn’t be dead either.

The statistical results reflect the range and distribution of the entire populations exposure and immune responses, which by their nature have outlier situations and responses.

Most diseases, the more exposure you get, the more chance it has to take hold before the immune system can fight it, and the worse it gets.

I’m pretty confident, but I guess the only way we could know for sure is find a statistically significant population of infected toddlers and unvaccinated otherwise healthy middle aged adults to hold them for an hour.

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Post by nradov »

kaczordon wrote: post #53
throwaway6734 wrote: post #29

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The only thing that matters is death rate for those that are vaccinated.

I remember when we used to care about hospitals overflowing.

We didn't care about hospitals being overwhelmed by influenza in 2018.

https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie...

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Post by mdoms »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #227
mdoms wrote: post #188

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Here in New Zealand a gang member was shot to death and was recorded as a covid death because he tested positive posthumously. This is apparently in line with international practices. If you don't see the absurdity in that then I don't know what to say.

I assume it’s this story https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/11/new-lynn-shooting-victim-... It’s not really true if you read further into it. Think about it - if you get nasty infection while under surgery - was cause of death surgery or infection.

I have looked into it, and what I said is absolutely true. From your linked article,

> "The clinical criteria will continue to be guided by WHO definition which is basically to report any death where the person had an acute Covid-19 infection regardless of what the cause of death might be," Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield told RNZ.

The death was reported as a "death with covid" in accordance with WHO guidelines. Again, if you don't see the absurdity then you can't be helped.

> Think about it - if you get nasty infection while under surgery - was cause of death surgery or infection.

How on earth is this relevant? The victim was not showing symptoms and did not undergo surgery.

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Post by ReaLNero »

xienze wrote: post #33
michaelt wrote: post #11

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An office doesn't cost less just because there are people using it.

No, but it certainly means they're getting at least some use out of the money they're spending versus what is effectively just lighting money on fire.

That is just the sunk-cost fallacy.
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