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Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by heyitsanewacco »

nightski wrote: post #115
jb1991 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That stat has been widely reported, in the U.S. at least. There are more deaths from Covid occurring currently in the U.S. on an average daily basis that at any prior time in the pandemic. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/24/health/covid-deaths-now-y... NY Times, Washington Post, and other media have similar stories.

CNN is basically a tabloid at this point.

Everything is a tabloid, including government reporting. We won't know how many people have died of COVID unitl the academics start studying excess deaths and get into years long fights over the minutiae of "with" and "of." We still don't have exact numbers on any modern genocides and likely won't ever.

I never expected a "free democracy" to run into basic stalinist subversion of facts, but here we are.

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Post by GoodJokes »

kaczordon wrote: post #53
throwaway6734 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing that matters is death rate for those that are vaccinated.

I remember when we used to care about hospitals overflowing.

No post body was provided.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by heyitsanewacco »

mschuster91 wrote: post #122
gdulli wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"More than 2,000 Covid-19 deaths have been reported in the United States each day for the past month" This is 2 weeks old and already out of date. Numbers are in freefall. It's now at 1,357. And cases have dropped sharply and consistently for a few weeks which means the (lagging) drop in deaths will continue for a few weeks.

It's still about four airplanes worth of people crashing daily, to put it into perspective. Not to mention people under immunosuppression or legitimately unable to get vaccinated (e.g. allergies or immunodeficient) - these poor souls are effectively locked into their homes as a permanent jail.

Yeah its only World Trade Center tower 1 every day. Its not like we'd go to war over those numbers.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by sharken »

nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

Some numbers to back up that claim would be nice. Make sure to discern between cases where COVID is the primary reason for dying and where it is not.

As a data point, Denmark have been without restrictions since first of February 2022. There are still 20.000 infections daily, but most with very mild symptoms.

There are 1.600 hospitalized, which is considerable more than December, where there were about 600.

So number wise it doesn't make a lot of sense to remove restrictions, but I'm personally very happy having the old normal back.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by krapp »

roastytoasty wrote: post #132
dnathi493 wrote: post #5

I left Apple after years of lack of any flexibility on the remote work process. They wouldn't allow transferring to any alternative office for most teams. From what I understood, VPs could protect a small minority of some of their employees if a senior leader made a case to them. Unfortunately, this just seemed to lead to the most politically connected folks going remote and directors friends and favorite hires getti…

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Most people "in tech" don't even know Hacker News exists. It's a bubble within a bubble.

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Post by WithinReason »

saturdaysaint wrote: post #104
WithinReason wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. There is a huge difference between "dying with COVID" and "dying from COVID".

This line of argument doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny. First of all, it's quite pedantic and naive to assume that governments and medical bodies in the richest and most advanced countries haven't worked through similar issues of causality with innumerable other diseases. More to the point, the peaks in COVID deaths magically align with proportionately large spikes in all cause mortality not seen in prior ye…

> More to the point, the peaks in COVID deaths magically align with proportionately large spikes in all cause mortality not seen in prior years that have yet to be explained by anything else.

In the UK they are in fact inversely correlated for Omicron. See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30558089

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Post by pmarreck »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #129
robertoandred wrote: post #119

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So how many people are currently dying because of covid?

Probably whatever you want the number to be. If somebody dies while Covid-19 positive you can either blame it on COVID or you can blame it on other conditions or somewhere in between.

Doctors already have a protocol for this since senior citizens often die of multiple causes. Turns out there is usually one “proximal” cause (the “killing blow”) and multiple “distal” causes. Presumably, they use the same evaluation protocol here to determine primary cause of death.

This great tiktok doc broke it down a year and a half ago.

https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdAAjux1/

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Post by mdoms »

saturdaysaint wrote: post #104
WithinReason wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. There is a huge difference between "dying with COVID" and "dying from COVID".

This line of argument doesn't hold up to the slightest scrutiny. First of all, it's quite pedantic and naive to assume that governments and medical bodies in the richest and most advanced countries haven't worked through similar issues of causality with innumerable other diseases. More to the point, the peaks in COVID deaths magically align with proportionately large spikes in all cause mortality not seen in prior ye…

Here in New Zealand a gang member was shot to death and was recorded as a covid death because he tested positive posthumously. This is apparently in line with international practices. If you don't see the absurdity in that then I don't know what to say.

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Post by lamontcg »

mherdeg wrote: post #178
nostromo wrote: post #16

More people are dying with Covid now than were dying most of the previous two years, minus 4 peaks of various waves. I'm happy we're returning to normalcy, but it just makes me wonder "why now?" It's like the government and big business just decided overnight to declare "mission accomplished" when nothing substantial has changed. Last summer, for example, could have been the reopening, and we'd have better data and "…

Something I read[1] that resonated a few months ago: > Dying from Covid is more or less optional at this point. If you want to remove the risk of dying, get the vaccine. If you want to take the risk, don’t. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29561158 This is a bit reductive -- people in some countries may not have easy access to the vaccine, people whose immune systems don't respond to the vaccine may need still-sc…

Every wave now is also very likely to be less of a strain on the health care system than the last.

The virulence of the virus isn't changing that much, the biggest effect is that most people have gained immunity.

The fact that 90% of the people in hospitals are unvaccinated though while vaccination rates are at least >60% everywhere is a sign though that the unvaccinated population still has failed to achieve a level of immunity equal to vaccination.

They're going to just accumulate immunity the hard way though with more human casualties and death. There isn't a lot to be done about that though.

Eventually the rates of unvaccinated in the hospital with each wave will start reflecting the population rate of unvaccinated and we'll be at pretty much 100% seroprevalence finally.

Re: Tim Cook tells employees the return to offices will begin on April 11th

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Post by briandear »

NoSorryCannot wrote: post #144
nojito wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few states record COVID deaths properly. How do you remove people who die in the hospital for other reasons but have a mandatory COVID swab done and are positive?

The person you responded to mentioned all-cause mortality. Remove the base rate, then you're left with excess deaths. How do you explain excess deaths if they are not covid? And that's not to say an explanation other than covid is impossible, but it would need to be compelling.

> How do you explain excess deaths if they are not covid?

Delayed medical care because of Covid fear. I missed my annual physical two years ago and ended up with a heart attack I barely survived last October. People were delaying routine screenings such as mammograms, physicals, and other preventative care.

There are also increases in suicide, deaths of despair, especially in younger people. Addiction especially.

Nobody wants to talk about vaccine injuries and related deaths. But that is non-zero.

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