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Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

I recommend reading the actual law before panicking. The article is pretty exaggerated. There is still judicial oversight to protect you from abuse, making this the same as most other laws in most western democracies.

https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display....

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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>There is no defense against a legal power that does not limit itself. Correction: there is no legal defense. There are other defenses, historically.

Don't be coy. You're talking about the violent overthrow of the government. And you know what? If you live in any one of the western liberal democracies, this response is bullshit and you know it. In a democracy, the government is _you_ and the _people around you_, and we have all kinds of legal defenses against wanna-be autocrats: - speeches - rallies - op-eds - letters - phone calls - commercials - campaign contrib…

> So get up on your soap box, and get people to the ballot box.

I think it's important to understand the context of a statement like this as it pertains to the United States at least. At some point in the last 6 years, the average person on both sides of the aisle has felt as if they have some reason to be quite skeptical of the security of our electoral system. It has been one of the defining issues of two consecutive election cycles. Setting aside the question of whether or not that skepticism is warranted, the rather worrying fact remains: as a whole, our belief in the mechanism of voting is probably approaching an all time low. This is quite concerning.

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In similar news the well-known direct democracy of Switzerland just voted a new rule giving police similar surveillance powers without judicial oversight. So it's obviously the people wishing to be better surveilled and we're the outliers here.

This is why I've always had doubts about direct democracy. Most people are idiots who scare easily and whose views should not be considered.

Maybe, but that should be their right. We need fixes but as long as you can buy a Senator for 4 or 6 years for $100K, we have no chance. Things get a lot harder if that same voting power for 1 vote costs $5M. The problem is that the people in power want to stay there and keep feeding at the trough. What we really need is the ability for public resolutions to put directly into law. Then we could have a chance for reform, unfortunately most states don't have provisions for this path.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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The content in the book you're talking about is probably better represented by Professor Duane's original viral video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE I think he wrote that book in part because he was frustrated by the lack of nuance in his presentation and the fact that it sort of "went viral". 13 million views for a lecture about law is pretty astonishing.

Yes, but iirc the best advice at the time of the viral video was invoke the 5th, but it has since evolved to do not invoke the 5th. Insist on your 6th .

There's quite a bit of nuance in that recommendation. It's also very much about how you invoke your rights.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Reminds me of anti-free speech laws that was almost passed in France. It was designed to help fight « hate speech ». It enable police to remove literally ANY content from the interne t as long as it was « hateful » of course there is no legal definition of hateful. I think similar laws have been passed in Belgium and Germany. I find it funny that has economic growth from the post war era is slowing down and climate c…

At least in France people will protest. Places like Australia, NZ and Canada have far too much trust in the government...

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oVOE5Hsl8E

I don't know about the French. For the most part, they protest for the wrong reason.

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Well fuck I just moved to Fastmail. Who else is out there? And no I’m not self hosting.

I use Mailbox.org. My only regret is not buying my own domain name for it ahead of time in case Germany started doing things I wasn’t cool with. I’ve been sufficiently satisfied with their service. Sometimes emails take a bit of time to receive, like 10 or so minutes. That’s about it.

10 minutes? The 30-60 seconds Runbox (Norwegian) takes to deliver 2FA or other types of confirmation emails already bug me. Not enough time to do something else, plenty of time to overthink my choice in email provider.

Privately (Runbox is my employer's provider) I run my own server and desktop notifications of new mail are often faster than the page loads where it was triggered. Maybe I'm spoiled.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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post #34

I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

Me too, and I just submitted a support request seeking clarification. I'll update with any reply I get.

Interested in that too. I checked their blog, they seem to be talking about everything privacy except for this.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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post #111
post #52

In similar news the well-known direct democracy of Switzerland just voted a new rule giving police similar surveillance powers without judicial oversight. So it's obviously the people wishing to be better surveilled and we're the outliers here.

This is why I've always had doubts about direct democracy. Most people are idiots who scare easily and whose views should not be considered.

Living in California right now is scary, given our direct democracy.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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> Keep in mind it’s different to America, you get paid decent money from the state to stay at home. I wish this meme would die. People in the US got paid decent money too. The federal gov spent $3 trillion more on transfer payments in Q1 2021 than it did in Q4 2019. This is more than a doubling. That's nearly $17,000 for every human in the US. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/B087RC1Q027SBEA

How can that be possible when we only had like a few hundred in checks, or some few hundred in additional unemployment for people who were unemployed?

Not sure if you're being intentionally hyperbolic...

But stimulus checks alone (ie free money for everyone under the income threshold of $75k) were over $3000 per person.

Additional unemployment was hundreds of dollars _per week_, on top of the standing unemployment benefits.

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