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Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by mixmastamyk »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #222
kitsunesoba wrote: post #175

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Yes, for me the killer aspect of Quicklook is being able to flip through dozens of documents in barely more time than it takes for my arrow keys to actuate. It’s wonderful for skimming through dozens of files quickly. Icons that accurately represent content on more than just images are great too. Aside from that, QuickLook remains one of the few examples of a generic extensible document reader in modern operating sys…

> QuickLook remains one of the few examples of a generic extensible document reader in modern operating systems. ...were there other ones in classic operating systems? QuickTime <= 10.2 did let you install third-party components (I wrote one recently), but what else was there?

The Amiga pioneered this with datatypes.

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

kall wrote: post #190
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

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Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

For me macOS design peaked when they moved from the super readable Lucida Grande to Helvetica Neue because it looked hot on retina displays. I'm not sure which version that was exactly. Purely from a visual standpoint I like the Big Sur redesign way more than I expected. It looks like it was made for dark mode, unlike previous versions where dark mode was kind of an add on. The whole material/translucency thing is re…

> Purely from a visual standpoint I like the Big Sur redesign way more than I expected. It looks like it was made for dark mode, unlike previous versions where dark mode was kind of an add on. The whole material/translucency thing is really coming together.

Yeah, I actually like Big Sur more than I expected to, and it's the first version of macOS with a dark mode that I actually stuck with. Most of my quibbles stem from choosing minimalism over discoverability, e.g., hiding the document proxy icon, making all the keyboard shortcuts in menus grey because somebody clearly decided that looked prettier and more subtle rather, etc. But in practice, all the shirt-rending over how the excessive transparency would make everything unreadable and illegible just hasn't matched my experience.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

bitwize wrote: post #180
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

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Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

The beauty and elegance of Mac OS died with Mac OS X, when they foolishly decided to keep the NeXT-isms instead of sticking with tried and true Mac principles like the spatial Finder.

Is that you, John Siracusa?

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Post by JetSpiegel »

tayistay wrote: post #239
Nullabillity wrote: post #235

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> And no one is forcing you to make software that spies on people as an indie dev? This is the problem with your argument. You're looking at it from the developer's perspective, rather than the user's. As the developer you have this choice, and you know which choice you've made. As a user, all I have is your word (which is worth nothing if I don't already have a good reason to trust you). As a user, source code acces…

> This is the problem with your argument. You're looking at it from the developer's perspective, rather than the user's The developers need to make the apps, otherwise there's no marketplace. Gotta satisfy both, albeit imperfectly. > As a user, all I have is your word (which is worth nothing if I don't already have a good reason to trust you). That's not true at all. Experts can audit closed-source software to see if…

> The developers need to make the apps, otherwise there's no marketplace.

Why is publishing the source code such a burden, when the apparent target are unsophisticated users? Are developers afraid that users will start cloning repos and build their own binaries?

> An App Store (like Apple's) can have strict rules where developers will be banned if they do malicious things.

Apple will rat you out to the cops if you take a picture of human skin on "your own" phone, why should they be a benchmark for anything security or privacy related?

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by zonabey »

Rd6n6 wrote: post #196
jonpurdy wrote: post #64

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Long time Mac user (1992); I think the Mac UI peaked at Mavericks (some would argue Snow Leopard due to the dumb Save workflow in Lion). As soon as Yosemite started trying too hard to be minimal it started a descent into prioritizing style over UX. I haven't touched Big Sur yet and probably won't until I'm forced to with a new Mac. Looking at screenshots of Elementary, it's so much more obvious how things work and wh…

I’ll be that one person who will say that the peak of desktop environment design is currently gnome (with guake for a drop down terminal and top panel workspace scroll). It’s extremely keyboard driven and working with 4 different workspaces is just extremely pleasant. Using super for both overview and search is a really nice touch too. Just my opinion - avoiding using the mouse really is nice

Gnome is actually quite good I find myself at odds with some of their defaults for workspaces but they're in the right ball park when it comes to aesthetics and organising the UI. I would very much like to have a guake like terminal for mac os. That and a workspace persistent file explorer. But I think that kind of desktop enhancement that is bug free and feature full is hard to come by.

Also since you're on Linux I'm looking for a linux alternative for this tool. https://github.com/chipsenkbeil/choose It's a gui chooser I don't know if such a thing exists for linux. I suspect it might be quite easy to implement one with electron. By the way what I'm not looking for is something like alfred for linux. That would be an overkill.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by zonabey »

Ashanmaril wrote: post #69
yboris wrote: post #14

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How can one live without the minimize button? What does the OS recommend instead?

When I'm on my Mac I don't really use a minimize button ever. I organize all my windows between virtual desktops. One for calendar/notes, one for browsers and maybe the downloads folder open, one for IDE and terminal, one for chat apps, etc.

I second this. Minimising windows in mac os is a nuisance because they can auto restore unexpectedly when switching back to the application or clicking on the dock icon.

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Post by e3bc54b2 »

jeromenerf wrote: post #160
handrous wrote: post #89

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Sure, and everyone complains about that on Win10 because it sucks there, too. Windows the OS has improved greatly over the years, in many ways, but the UI has mostly not improved, or has even regressed, since, oh, I dunno, win98/2k. Maybe WinXP.

No, no one really cares about homogeneity. Big name apps geared towards music, photo, video, 3D, GIS, IDE … have always looked somehow differently designed and for a good reason when compared to the browser and file manager. There is more value in design than consistency on production oriented systems. It seems the contrary is preferred for mobile.

Those big-ass different looking applications on desktop you mention are creator's tools. It makes sense they differentiate (specialize) their UX to deliver maximum utility, especially important to carry it over a decade or more of OS design transitions. Of course they look different.

Mobile devices are by and large meant for and used as consumption tools. So consistency is desired there.

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Post by zonabey »

badsectoracula wrote: post #156
tayistay wrote: post #79

- Can't publish closed-source apps on their AppCenter. "To ensure reproducible builds, transparency, and auditability, binaries cannot be uploaded or included alongside the source code to be installed on users' devices." So that precludes my apps, and probably most other devs I know. I'd guess because of this restriction, their app store is going nowhere as a business. - Their 70/30 split is higher than what Apple cu…

I have used eOS at the past and while from a superficial quick look it looks like a copy of macOS, also having used macOS for a long time i can easily say that it is far from a copy. For all intents and purposes it is doing its own thing.

They seem to be taking more from Apple's take a look at the continuous mission control animations and list view context actions.

I honestly don't think these are the best of Apple's stuff. When I think about these features I can't really see why they decided they were important enough to implement. Perhaps they're trying to generate some excitement about the desktop environment I don't know.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by zonabey »

handrous wrote: post #103
smoldesu wrote: post #96

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MacOS still has anachronistic design elements. My least favorite was the Dashboard, which long outstayed it's welcome...

I prefer the Dashboard to its kind-of replacement, whatever they call the slidey-out widget sidebar thing you get when you click on the clock (which, unrelated to the comparison between those two since the Dashboard's invocation wasn't exactly sensible, either—what the hell ?)

Yes! You know Dashboard was a completely separate layer. I could watch a video in full screen and take notes with semi transparent stickes. Try doing that in full screen with the stickes app... You can't!

The dashboard feature is totally underrated. What would be even better would be if you could actually put any window in there.

Or if any window could be made semi transparent and float on top. And have that entire layer be toggleable with transitions....

It's total shame that they've removed it entirely.

Re: Elementary OS 6 Odin

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Post by e3bc54b2 »

Royi wrote: post #104

I don't get how an OS is released and performance isn't mentioned. I think each OS release must include data about the performance (Speed and resources at steady state). We want performant and lean OS's.

While I agree with you, this project originslly began (IIRC) to showcase a new theme for Ubuntu/Gnome. The main developers are designers first, and the target is to make Linux desktop more user friendly.

You and I survived the trials amd now wamt performance. I personally will lilely never use elementary, but you and I are not the target audience.

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