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Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by suifbwish » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

abecedarius wrote: post #90

hodgesrm wrote: post #11

Notes for those planning to sell your soul online: eBay specifically prohibits such transactions. [1] Compared to some online bans, the reasoning is pleasingly coherent. eBay does not allow the auctioning of human souls for the following reasons: If the soul does not exist, eBay could not allow the auctioning of the soul because there would be nothing to sell. However, if the soul does exist then, in accordance with…

About a dozen people sold their souls on Twitter a while back, so there's another venue. E.g. https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/142135011902313677... Terms: https://liminalwarmth.com/contract-for-sale-of-soul/ Discussion: https://liminalwarmth.com/the-questionable-ethics-of-buying-... As a total atheist I'd still say don't do it. It's not farfetched to interpret the word 'soul' as a future high-res brain scan…

Unfortunately one does not need to be religious to realize that it’s foolish to assume there is no “god” when we have no way of proving that with science since we can only deduct reliably.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by sershe » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:40 AM UTC

H8crilA wrote: post #224

sershe wrote: post #185

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Interesting, my take was always diametrically opposite, that if it has any meaning at all it's the allegory for getting converted to a collectivist religion or an ideology. Zombies are not really selfish - I mean, if you were chasing one human in a horde and you were selfish, wouldn't you, for example, try to eliminate or exclude the competition? They are, rather, single-minded to the exclusion of any priorities othe…

What's the difference between a religion and a corporation that someone devotes their life to? Other than scale.

Very few people really devote their life to a corporation, at least as far as I can tell. It's either just a job to pay the bills (for most people), or an exciting project that you easily switch from when it suits you (if you are in tech or other such job).

To be fair, relatively few people really devote their life to religion or ideology, too, although I'd argue the average level of devotion is higher and lasts longer :)

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by zwirbl » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 5:48 AM UTC

suifbwish wrote: post #241

abecedarius wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About a dozen people sold their souls on Twitter a while back, so there's another venue. E.g. https://twitter.com/liminal_warmth/status/142135011902313677... Terms: https://liminalwarmth.com/contract-for-sale-of-soul/ Discussion: https://liminalwarmth.com/the-questionable-ethics-of-buying-... As a total atheist I'd still say don't do it. It's not farfetched to interpret the word 'soul' as a future high-res brain scan…

Unfortunately one does not need to be religious to realize that it’s foolish to assume there is no “god” when we have no way of proving that with science since we can only deduct reliably.

Isn't it just as foolish to assume there to be a good?

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by yoloyoloyoloa » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 6:56 AM UTC

trasz wrote: post #193

yoloyoloyoloa wrote: post #188

If you have ever messed with the demonic and you want to feel safe again here is a prayer you can say out loud that will help: Father God, I come to you in the Name of Jesus, declaring that no weapon that is formed against us shall prosper and every tongue which rises against us in judgement we do condemn. This is our heritage as servants of the Lord and our righteousness is from You, O Lord of Hosts (Isaiah 54:17).…

Even assuming the daemon thing would work, and that the daemons would turn out to be evil, why do you assume it’s your religion that would work, and not one of thousands others?

Cause Ive tried this. Demons shudder at the name of Jesus

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by yoloyoloyoloa » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 6:58 AM UTC

trasz wrote: post #189

yoloyoloyoloa wrote: post #92

Please whatever you do, dont mess with this stuff. Ive really had interactions of this kind and I can tell you it is not fun, you will not be happy or at peace. Satan is a liar,murderer and deceiver. Jesus came to save you and even if you have "sold" your soul to satan then just know that Jesus defeated satan on the cross and paid for your soul with his blood.

If any of this were true, we would have a proof, and it would become science. We known it doesn’t work, because all the recorded attempts resulted in absolutely nothing.

In order for it to work you must believe it will work. That is how christianity works and how witchcraft works.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by akomtu » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 6:58 AM UTC

3gg wrote: post #40

deadalus wrote: post #7

Recommended contemporary occultists(demonic/dark magic practitioners) and their works: EA Koetting (founder of BALG, 9 demonic gatekeepers) Konstantinos (Nocturnal Witchcraft) Somnus Dreadwood (Maergzjiran Cabal founder) Kurtis Joseph (Black Magick of Ahriman) Mark Alan Smith (Primal Craft books) S. Connolly (The Complete Book of Demonolatry) Asenath Mason (deals with Qliphotic magic) NAA 218 (unknown author, created…

Hey deadalus, quick question here: how does all of this compare to Luciferianism and left-hand path kind of stuff? I started reading some of the latter, but I found them to be so ridden with grammar errors that I wish Satan were an English teacher. Perhaps the most decent book I found was Anton LaVey's The Satanic Bible, but so far I am finding it too down-to-earth to quench my thirst for the exotic. By the way, do y…

That LaVey guy seems to be a quack who's appropriating Eliphas Levi's thoughts to give himself credibility, so why not to just read Levi's books?

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by akomtu » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 7:32 AM UTC

optimiz3 wrote: post #20

Many of the demon sigils resemble circuit schematics!

I think they even play the same role. At least the prominent occult authors say that all these effects are nothing but electricity and magnetism (snake is a typical occult symbol for electricity). Levitating a frog by a magnet is legit magick, NMRI is high-end sorcery. Things that are considered magical are various magnetic effects that haven't been discovered (by science) yet, but are known to people who don't quite understand the underlying mechanism. But in each and every case it's the good old magnetism. I'd guess that these sigils are meants to shape a magnetic stream produced by something else, and when properly shaped it tends to capture a "fish" of some kind. As for why the low type occultists use blood to fill these sigils, it's because of its magnetic properties (if you live in medieval ages, getting access to a lab with ferrofluids and 100 Amp generators is pretty difficult).

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by anchpop » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 7:32 AM UTC

highspeedbus wrote: post #177

praptak wrote: post #65

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Not necessarily. It is speculated that the Devil can solve any mathematical problem and thus human crypto is useless to him, as he can just reverse all hashes, compute the discrete logarithms and factor arbitrarily large numbers. So an NFT (or any other cryptographic artifact) is rather something that Satan can offer you for your soul.

That's a running thing in my mind for years. The devil can do math. So It's an incredible lost opportunity when people are being possessed and we dont go and ask them some clever questions.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-th...

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by vintermann » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 7:49 AM UTC

zwirbl wrote: post #243

suifbwish wrote: post #241

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Unfortunately one does not need to be religious to realize that it’s foolish to assume there is no “god” when we have no way of proving that with science since we can only deduct reliably.

Isn't it just as foolish to assume there to be a good?

No. These questions have been well explained by a couple of old French philosophers, but they're usually presented in such a weak form ("weak man") that their answers aren't appreciated.

Pascal's infamous wager, for instance. It's usually rendered in the form of salvation and probability, but it's better for modern people to think of it in terms of meaning rather than salvation, and the probabilistic part of it can be simplified away.

Instead of asking, "Is there a God", ask first, "Does anything matter in any meaningful sense?".

If the answer is no, then one of the things which doesn't matter, is what you answer to that question. So you might as well answer yes. But if the answer is yes, then you should definitively answer yes, no matter what thing matters (because clearly, it also matters that it matters).

A better version of the argument in Pascal's wager is thus that "nihilism isn't more reasonable than the alternatives, even on its own terms". So you might as well have positive beliefs (though which ones, this argument can't answer). Bringing in probabilities is not necessary.

The classic argument against Pascal's wager is "but what if there's a God who will punish you from following the logic of this argument?". You can make that argument in a non-probabilistic way too, and suggest that maybe the positive meaning of existence is to not buy into arguments about the positive meaning of existence.

But that is rejected by another much misunderstood French philosopher's argument, Descartes' demon. The argument is that if there's some demon messing with my thoughts and perceptions to make me come to exactly the wrong solutions, then I am screwed anyway. Outsmarting it by definition won't work. So obviously, we might as well reject this assumption too.

To sum up, we reject the assumption that we have no meaning in the universe, because if that is true, we might as well. And we reject the assumption that the universe is out to get us, because if that is true, it makes no difference what we think.

Re: How to summon and sell your soul to Satan and other devils

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Post by phendrenad2 » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 8:13 AM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #24

yoloyoloyoloa wrote: post #15

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Please explain? Are you talking about dwave?

Charlie Stross is an author (and occasional poster here) who has a series collectively known as “The Laundry Files” in which magic can be performed by computers as well as by humans, by having the computers perform specific calculations.

Also books by Aya Nishitani