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Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by zentiggr »

rkeene2 wrote: post #196
khimaros wrote: post #166

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Rhasspy is an easy to use open source, fully offline, suite for this with wake word detection and integration with home assistant.

I've never understood the desire to control systems by speaking to them in code words. Speaking monopolizes a shared channel, requires diverting your conversation, and is really slow. For practically anything that involves using code words to tell the computer what to do there are better input methods, like physical switches, or purely automated. This is slightly off-topic, but in your opinion what are some of the re…

If I'm curled up comfortably with my SO, and don't want to take ten minutes of unwinding, doing whatever, then tucking back up together...

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by bikezen »

rkeene2 wrote: post #196
khimaros wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rhasspy is an easy to use open source, fully offline, suite for this with wake word detection and integration with home assistant.

I've never understood the desire to control systems by speaking to them in code words. Speaking monopolizes a shared channel, requires diverting your conversation, and is really slow. For practically anything that involves using code words to tell the computer what to do there are better input methods, like physical switches, or purely automated. This is slightly off-topic, but in your opinion what are some of the re…

Cooking. My hands might be occupied or dirty etc, but I need to set or change a timer.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by mikepurvis »

wlesieutre wrote: post #221
mikepurvis wrote: post #151

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"An escalator can never break: it can only become stairs. You should never see an Escalator Temporarily Out Of Order sign, just Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience."

I know it’s a joke but if the failure mode is “brakes don’t work” on an escalator full of people, it is much worse than stairs

Very true— I would definitely imagine that escalator brakes are a thing that fail closed in the absence of power, but clearly there are failure modes (probably a rare confluence of multiple concurrent failures) where this kind of thing can happen, such as that incident in Rome in 2018:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1SjQfwLieU

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by phendrenad2 »

Grazester wrote: post #63

I came here for a technical discussion about Fuchsia and it's microkernel approach instead this is mostly fill with complains about Google as a company. Is there a social justice forum I can visit where I may be able to have a technical discussion about Fuchsia?

Hacker News is still the best place for such discussions. There's just a lot of low-effort noise from people who force every topic to conform to their existing knowledge areas.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by raxxorrax »

pjmlp wrote: post #204
raxxorrax wrote: post #181

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I work in the embedded area and it is true that these approaches are more successful here. But I think that is due to real pressure for memomy and speed or real time applications. That isn't really the case for general purpose devices like PCs. Those have an unlimited amount of memory and CPU power. I might try it for embedded devices some day.

The irony is that hypervisors and containers have basically taken away whatever benefits monolithic kernels might have. OS X and Windows are much better in this regard than GNU/Linux/BSDs with their ongoing efforts to move all drivers to userspace, even though they will never be fully pure microkernels when done with it.

He, true. Although I wonder if microkernels tend to expose more lower level function in user mode that could be relevant to overall system security. The big problem is probably memory access, which would be prohibited in user mode, but maybe there are other security implications (I couldn't answer that question).

Other than improved security that may also be protected by a hypervisor, you might still gain more stability when pushing drivers to user mode. Or your hypervisor has a bug and allows a guest to gain privileged kernel access. Not a security expert, so this is mainly guess work.

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #211
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #135

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And get some motion detectors. Your lights should come on when someone enters the room and the light is below a threshold. I usually hit the off switch by the door when I leave, otherwise if no one is present the lack of movement will dim and then turn the lights off. It's 2021 people!

Motion detection is not presence detection. I still want the light even if I'm sitting still, such as reading a book or using a computer.

We use the motion detection to turn on lights and usually turn off manually. I've set up ours to remain on until a fair amount of inactivity. In two years it's only turned off once whilst we were watching a movie.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by phendrenad2 »

Congrats to the Fuschia/Zircon team! It's very exciting to see a freshly-architected OS appear on the scene, with a non-copyleft license, a big company behind it (so hardware vendors will actually write drivers for it), and direction set by one company (instead of 10+ as is the case with Linux/Android). Can't wait to play around with it :-)

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by rkeene2 »

zentiggr wrote: post #241
rkeene2 wrote: post #196

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I've never understood the desire to control systems by speaking to them in code words. Speaking monopolizes a shared channel, requires diverting your conversation, and is really slow. For practically anything that involves using code words to tell the computer what to do there are better input methods, like physical switches, or purely automated. This is slightly off-topic, but in your opinion what are some of the re…

If I'm curled up comfortably with my SO, and don't want to take ten minutes of unwinding, doing whatever, then tucking back up together...

It seems like in that case a remote control could be placed nearby -- are you also using voice activated code words to control the television ?

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by wutbrodo »

vinkelhake wrote: post #240
rvz wrote: post #57

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> Today, instead of excitement, I am wondering how this thing is going to push me in some walled garden, how I will be tracked, how my data will be fetched and sold, what will be the trick used to move people away from free Web... Since Chrome came along, the 'Web' became less free from the start and the moment Google forked WebKit (called Blink) to use it in their own browser, it has turned the web more into a walle…

There's so much here that I don't really know where to start. Maybe some history could be useful? When Chrome came along, the dominant browser was Internet Explorer 7. It had been out for two years when Chrome 1.0 was released. Before IE7, the world ran IE6 for five years. Web development was largely stagnant. That was the world that Chrome came into. Before DRM support was added to browsers, you needed to install pl…

This is a valiant (and appreciated) effort, but I think you're misunderstanding the point of the thread. It's been _years_ since HN talking about Google has been nothing more than an enormous circlejerk, completely disconnected from reality.

Re: Google is officially releasing Fuchsia OS, starting with a first-gen Nest Hub

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Post by rkeene2 »

bikezen wrote: post #242
rkeene2 wrote: post #196

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I've never understood the desire to control systems by speaking to them in code words. Speaking monopolizes a shared channel, requires diverting your conversation, and is really slow. For practically anything that involves using code words to tell the computer what to do there are better input methods, like physical switches, or purely automated. This is slightly off-topic, but in your opinion what are some of the re…

Cooking. My hands might be occupied or dirty etc, but I need to set or change a timer.

Thanks for helping me to understand this better.
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