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Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by danybittel »

detritus wrote: post #86
skrebbel wrote: post #74

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

Going a bit further back, IE 5 and 6 were the best browser by far. Strange for me to think that my now-beloved Firefox has its heritage embedded in Netscape, which at the same time as IE5 was an absolute pig. - ed for some reason I have it in mind as IE5.5 specifically that was The Great IE.

IE 4 specifically was the big milestone. MS had a lot of catch up to do (they mostly ignored Internet before that). I've written web apps in IE4 (around 2000), it was capable of dynamically generating and manipulating the dom. While Netscape 4 could barely change a color of an element without crashing.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by lenocinor »

bartread wrote: post #93
jefft255 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds just unbelievable to me, and I've worked at government agency doing Lotus Note programming on Windows XP past EoL. What was the decision process like, to decide to create a new Java applet in 2021?? Edit: I've seen a later comment mentioning it was started a while ago. But still... this is a dead platform. To me this is on the level of launching a new app targeting Windows XP. It's just a disaster

About 5 years ago I briefly contracted for a large multinational, who shall remain nameless, who were still running a version of some Lotus thing (I forget whether it was Notes or Smartsuite) that was well over a decade out of support, and possibly two decades old, running on a long since obsolete niche operating system, on hardware that probably dated from the 90s. None of it could be upgraded. Which would have been…

I think I used to work at the company you’re talking about. Definitely don’t miss those parts! What a crazy old tech stack it was…

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by ratww »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #202
derefr wrote: post #192

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Given that email is MIME (i.e. you can add multiple “bodies” to a message, with different content-types, and the email client will select the best one it can render), you’d think we could just come up with a new content-type for email meaning “HTML, but for real”, and add that to email in addition to the current “HTML, but sucky” semantics we get from text/html-typed bodies. For a while, people would be sending both…

CSS grid email designs would be great, but we'd also get an avalanche of nightmare canvas-tag spam...

You can have one without another! Apple Mail supports grid, but doesn’t support canvas or script tags.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by etripe »

Baeocystin wrote: post #235
skrebbel wrote: post #74

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

I work in small business IT, and I literally have to use IE11 on a weekly basis to interface with some shoddy something. And it's not necessarily just old stuff, either- there are brand new NVRs and cameras going in today that require IE and some godforsaken ActiveX control to work. IE is going to be around for a long time.

Isn't that also what people said about Flash?

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by Baeocystin »

etripe wrote: post #244
Baeocystin wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in small business IT, and I literally have to use IE11 on a weekly basis to interface with some shoddy something. And it's not necessarily just old stuff, either- there are brand new NVRs and cameras going in today that require IE and some godforsaken ActiveX control to work. IE is going to be around for a long time.

Isn't that also what people said about Flash?

Yes, and they were right. I have to deal with Flash regularly, too. So much so that I keep a VM around for solely that purpose.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by IntelMiner »

marcodiego wrote: post #141

From time to time I like to lake a look at the last efforts ms did to try to save ie: https://www.youtube.com/user/internetexplorer/videos as for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyl4ABlXzuM

"Comments are disabled"

I almost wonder if at the time they were enabled, before people found the video

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by [deleted] »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #108
brundolf wrote: post #95

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Imagine being the engineer who has to keep maintaining the IE codebase for the next 8 years. [shudders]

While I wouldn't want to do it, if you've been working on that codebase for years and you're no longer young and fired up about always going for the latest things, it could be a good way to sunset your career. A guaranteed position using technology you understand rather than being thrown out into the job market, struggling to get up to date on the latest programming fads so you can compete with people half your age,…

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by simonh »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #108
brundolf wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine being the engineer who has to keep maintaining the IE codebase for the next 8 years. [shudders]

While I wouldn't want to do it, if you've been working on that codebase for years and you're no longer young and fired up about always going for the latest things, it could be a good way to sunset your career. A guaranteed position using technology you understand rather than being thrown out into the job market, struggling to get up to date on the latest programming fads so you can compete with people half your age,…

True. If you really, deeply know COM and vintage C++ you can make a lot of money contracting in New York to this day.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by danjac »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #49
908B64B197 wrote: post #44

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> currently in development program requires IE + Java applets. Why? Surely it's not a greenfield project.

It's just a defense program with a very very long timeline.

IE + Java applets? Who were you defending? The Carthaginians?

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by danjac »

dspillett wrote: post #104

> Internet Explorer 11 desktop application will be retired ... on ... Woo. And, indeed, hoo. > for certain versions of Windows 10 Ah. And there begineth the weasle words. I'm guessing there will be significant organisations in finance/wealth management (our general area) and other industries that will still demand IE11 support for some time after that date. I think first a combination of our move towards "more smalle…

> significant organisations in finance/wealth management (our general area)

I can have some sympathy to support IE for some cash-strapped local government department struggling to keep their old systems running with duck tape and prayers. "Finance/wealth management" is exactly where that sympathy stops.

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