LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by libraryatnight » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:55 AM UTC

inoffensivename wrote: post #105

irjustin wrote: post #28

Mixed feelings from me. I remember the Hussein video. I never believed in the vision, but they hosted important events I simply could not see from other sites. Reddit users rely on it and I knew what I was getting into if I clicked on a LiveLeak link. Separately, being a content moderator for LL must be absolute hell. While you must filter for illegal things, you're actually expected to watch through the death and go…

the YouTube moderators I've met at Google can get a bit of a faraway look when talking about some of the things they'd seen

I'm too lazy to check for the link but there was a not so distant link here on HN about Facebook content moderators and the horror show that is.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ddingus » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:56 AM UTC

o-__-o wrote: post #213

ddingus wrote: post #203

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Those are the worst. They have a mild case and there basically is no convincing them otherwise, unless someone close to them has a different experience.

>unless someone close to them has a different experience. my partner could not give two trucks that i was sick. through the sleepless gasping nights where i was wondering if it was time to go to the hospital, my partner blamed it on anxiety. when i couldn't feel my feet, my partner thought it was due to me not eating (because food tasted like paper). this all culminated with my partner calling me lazy for sleeping al…

That sucks. No way around it.

And the incentives to push back on all this are super high!

People absolutely do not want to have to be bothered. Not all people, but the numbers are much higher than I expected.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by Bouncingsoul1 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:56 AM UTC

LeCow wrote: post #206

ddingus wrote: post #203

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Those are the worst. They have a mild case and there basically is no convincing them otherwise, unless someone close to them has a different experience.

I mean, that's 99.6% of everyone that gets it. In which case everything everyone here is saying has been blown out of proportion.

Could you please explain how you got this number? If I look at the statistics for the most countries in Europe I'll see a ratio of around 2/100 between detected cases and deaths (Germany, Belgium). That would mean that we would have around 5x more cases than we detect ,if we see "mild" as doesn't die. If you define "mild" as "not in hospital" this number would be even higher (meaning in some case that more than 100% of the population of a country would have had covid). So please explain your numbers and reasoning.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by dabernathy89 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:56 AM UTC

spoonjim wrote: post #55

Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

I stopped visiting the site after viewing a video of cartel torture that was worse than anything I'd ever seen. I still see it in my head all the time. Although LL certainly helped meet the morbid curiosity a lot of us have, I am ultimately glad it's now harder to find this kind of content.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by kfprt » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:58 AM UTC

ce4 wrote: post #218

kfprt wrote: post #184

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Video over Tor is surprisingly usable in my experience. Captchas are a much bigger problem.

Services that ask for captcha solving when on tor are probably hosted / delivered via cloudflare. Not an option for a hidden service.

I use tor for some of my normal clearnet browsing and static hosting .mp4's works decently over tor. Basically anything not bloated/modern works great.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by acituan » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:59 AM UTC

stonogo wrote: post #171

acituan wrote: post #144

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> People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you. You wouldn't know if you were talking to such a person right now without making a circular argument such that "a person without privilege cannot think the world is an OK place and since they think that they must be a person of privilege". Existence of depression and anxiety across all socioeconomic strata proves that logic w…

No, there is no circular argument. If someone thinks the world is an OK place, either they're speaking from a position of privilege or they are lying. Assuming privilege is in this case the kindest interpretation of their words.

> either they're speaking from a position of privilege or they are lying

I am not bothered that this is a false dichotomy as much as the fact that, intentional or not, it forbids taking a positive view of the world to anyone who also happens to be materially underprivileged.

> Men are disturbed not by things, but by the view which they take of them. -Epictetus, Greek-born slave

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by xdrosenheim » Thu, May 06, 2021, 5:59 AM UTC

causality0 wrote: post #77

spoonjim wrote: post #55

Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

LiveLeak definitely had the ability to change you. There was a video from a dashcam where a couple is driving down a road, and a brick or rock falls off a truck driving the opposite way. It bounces on the road before slamming through the windshield and instantly killing the wife sitting in the passenger seat. Whenever I feel like a member of my family has gotten on my last nerve, pushed me to my limit, I think of the…

After seeing countless videos of car/trucks/lorries with unstable load, my dad has been very annoyed with me whenever I need to help him drive a trailer around with stuff. He just throw shit onto it, an leave it. I lock that shut down, hard. I'm not gonna be that one person who accidently killed someone one the road, because I had something come loose.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by dk775 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 6:01 AM UTC

Kranar wrote: post #36

duxup wrote: post #20

Why couldn't they make enough money to stay in business?

I don't feel like posting the alternative, but there is a much more extreme alternative to LiveLeak that makes LiveLeak look like eye bleach and I suspect much of LiveLeak's users moved over to it. LiveLeak was in a weird position because it allowed full on gore but it also kind of tried to pretend to be a serious site reporting actual events. I suspect most people going to LiveLeak were not interested in seeing a le…

I understand you said you don’t want to tell us, but the way you wrote that comment you have to imagine it would generate interest. Can you share it or provide a clue (though since this is HN, I would appreciate it if you shared the knowledge with us). Knowing about these sites is more than the gore. People with kids, journalists, public safety people and more source stuff from these places, and often to do good or inform.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by argc » Thu, May 06, 2021, 6:02 AM UTC

buryat wrote: post #124

wyattpeak wrote: post #102

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I think the very fact that reading those descriptions is confronting, if it is to you as it is to me, is evidence that you do need exposure to understand that horrible things happen in the world. I understand it academically, but every time I see or read something like this I realise that I don't really understand it.

it's just sick entertainment covered by explanation "I need to see how horrible the world is", and being the audience you create demand for future shock content at expense of human lives. There're better ways to educate yourself and make the world a better place.

I completely disagree with you, I've gotten absolutely zero enjoyment from the few that I've watched. They make me feel completely sick and scared for myself and my family. I am much more careful with my daughter and prone to take precautions though, after having watch them. I think they provide value, I absolutely do not get the same effect from reading or learning about bad things that can happen to me, my brain just never really considered it a real option until I saw it happen.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by weedfroglozenge » Thu, May 06, 2021, 6:07 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #84

karmicthreat wrote: post #24

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Just looking at the front page of BitChute it seems more conspiracy crazy than just recordings of crazy things happening.

That would change if people start using it more as a LiveLeak replacement. (The name is somewhat amusing for someone with knowledge of Australian slang.)

Bitch ute?