'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter • Hacker News Board

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by edoceo » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

josefresco wrote: post #80

hooande wrote: post #58

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how would you respond if people said you were treating your employees unfairly? financial worth has nothing to do with it. if he feels that charge is untrue, he should push back against it. I would not be nearly as measured in my response. no sir, I am not the one

> how would you respond if people said you were treating your employees unfairly? Not sure how "richest man in the world" version of myself would react. Certainly I wouldn't use my corporate Twitter account to attack (badly) US politicians.

Yea, for all that money to spend on the attack, how'd they do such an obvious shit-job of it?

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by cyberlab » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

nerdponx wrote: post #22

Is this illegal? It should be illegal.

You can't fight astroturfing without resorting to astroturfing yourself. You have to play the game and do counter-narratives to stop this. The law can't keep up with sockpuppetry. It's too rampant to kill. Welcome to The Internet.

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by tartoran » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

hooande wrote: post #111

BoiledCabbage wrote: post #104

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Amazon knows full well the benefits of fake reviews, and they absolutely would pay their employees to give fake reviews. As they were reported to have started doing in 2019. Their employees would likely be the ones creating cheap profiles.

If they're paying employees, why make fake accounts? Personally, as a trillion dollar entity, I would pay people to use their real accounts and give me glowing reviews. I would pay $0 for a tweet from an obviously fake account, what's the point in that?

To amplify the sentiment. They could pay people/organizations to take care of that. Those organizations constantly create fake accounts to change how something is perceived. Remember the Net neutrality FCC fake comments?

Re: 'Fake' Amazon workers defend company on Twitter

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Post by chacha2 » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:27 PM UTC

hooande wrote: post #71

No way a company with the resources of Amazon is using several day old twitter accounts with first google result profile pictures. This is the equivalent of someone spray painting "We hate workers! signed, Amazon" on a wall I don't think even twitter can verify who made those accounts because it's so easy to vpn and use google voice numbers. You can choose what to believe, though

It won't be the AWS team doing this on the side, it would be a commissioned company.

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Post by beshrkayali » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:28 PM UTC

There are plenty of reason to hate Amazon and their policies, but this doesn't seem like something they'd actually do. More like an amateur anti-Amazon activist stunt to make them look bad.

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Post by ramblerman » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:30 PM UTC

eeeeehhhhh wrote: post #152

taormina wrote: post #103

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https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-... This is a fantastic read.

I knew this was going to be posted. I've been thinking about this post for a decade now and I can't help but feel that, although it does reflect part of reality, the Gervais Principle is overly cynical in my opinion, and those who adopt the view will have it compounded by confirmation bias because it is partially true. The things described happen at toxic organizations but the author leaves no room for honest positiv…

Thank you for putting this so eloquently.

I have been down this cycle myself becoming almost nihilistic and seeing it all as a pointless game of machiavelian diplomacy.

These days I'm much more optimistic, and doing much better overall but in hindsight your explanation is exactly what I went through at my worst.

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:31 PM UTC

disabled wrote: post #87

Some bots producing fake reviews on Amazon are just too funny to write off. My favorite ( https://www.amazon.com/Evaluation-Astroskin-Behavioral-Self-... ): "Wow!!!!! this product exceeded all my expectations. When I travel through space, I have always wished there was a way to measure my vital signs without bulky hardware and uncomfortable wires! Arun's project report taught me everything I needed to know about the…

What makes you think it's a bot or paid shill, not a human that found it funny that someone is selling such bullshit and making fun of that fact?

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Post by qvrjuec » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:32 PM UTC

hooande wrote: post #71

No way a company with the resources of Amazon is using several day old twitter accounts with first google result profile pictures. This is the equivalent of someone spray painting "We hate workers! signed, Amazon" on a wall I don't think even twitter can verify who made those accounts because it's so easy to vpn and use google voice numbers. You can choose what to believe, though

Spot on. It's too hamfisted to be believable - if there isn't a full team somewhere on red alert scrutinizing all outgoing media after the PR storm caused by the news tweets I'd be extremely surprised. It's too easy to get people to antagonize Amazon.

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:34 PM UTC

booleandilemma wrote: post #100

Why can't we just have a social network that requires you to sign up using your government ID? No bots, no fake accounts - problem solved. There won't be any anonymity on that network, sure, but there are plenty of other social networks where you can be anonymous.

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel » Tue, Mar 30, 2021, 6:34 PM UTC

snarf21 wrote: post #123

disabled wrote: post #87

Some bots producing fake reviews on Amazon are just too funny to write off. My favorite ( https://www.amazon.com/Evaluation-Astroskin-Behavioral-Self-... ): "Wow!!!!! this product exceeded all my expectations. When I travel through space, I have always wished there was a way to measure my vital signs without bulky hardware and uncomfortable wires! Arun's project report taught me everything I needed to know about the…

I don't think they are making it illegal to go the bathroom they are just making it economically awful. If you miss X minutes in an hour, the whole hour doesn't count. You have to deliver X packages per hour everyday and one miss gets you written up, which can lead to firing. You seem to forget that a lot of these workers are unskilled and have few choices. Amazon may be paying $15/hr but they will work you like dogs…

What I don't get: WHY?

Why is it better for Amazon to pay $15/hour and work you like dogs, vs. paying a much lower base rate but a bonus that makes it work out to $15/hour if you work yourself like a dog, and less if you're less effective? Is overhead so high that having more, cheaper but less effective workers doesn't work out?