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Post by implements »

DanBC wrote: post #156
zozbot234 wrote: post #59

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Political/social criticism should not be mislabeled as "hate". Trans-related issues are extremely complex no matter what anyone's personal POV might be, and keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate.

The people pushing hatred against trans people dress it up in nice language so useful idiots then go around saying things like "keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate". The gender critical movement is based on antisemitic conspiracy theories (eg Bilek) and unhinged hatred of trans people (eg Glinner).

You know, it really isn’t.

I’m “Gender Critical”, because like many people born in the 1960s I see women as being a group of individuals primarily discriminated against by virtue of their sex - particularly in regards to contraception and the economic and social consequences of reproduction.

Sex is biological and objectively real. Gender is a social construct relating to imposed standards of masculinity or femininity.

How have we ended up reinventing the idea that sexed identity is the performance of innate gender roles or preferences? Just because we’ve allowed people to opt out by changing gender doesn’t make the idea of linking gender to sex any more acceptable. This is an entirely regressive state of affairs, and pointing that out is in no way hateful.

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Post by dmux »

frogpelt wrote: post #180
tossaway90302 wrote: post #105

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>Now they are blatantly publicizing that private chats are being read. Who is publicizing it? This is purely speculation by moderators who are not reddit employess.

If private message content is being moderated, it is not private.

I believe that's why some platforms have started using "Direct Message" (i.e. "DM me") instead of the older Private Message terminology.

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Post by afuchs »

debacle wrote: post #173
morelisp wrote: post #160

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Weird how the gender critical community comes out of the shattered remains of the political lesbian community who wanted to do exactly that.

For my own edification, is "political lesbian" a single term? Is there a special definition there? Thanks.

There was/is a subset of radical feminism that saw heterosexuality as something that perpetuated patriarchal oppression [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism#Radical_lesbi...

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by onewhonknocks »

9387367 wrote: post #228
phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

This thread has more votes (454 points) than any on the front page apart from number 1 (540 points) with more comments, 205 vs 118 from the top post. As of now, it seats on the second page at #44.

Now at #93.

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Post by BlargMcLarg »

phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

I mean, just look at how emotionally charged the top comment threads have become after this got posted. It isn't exactly a topic that can be discussed when so many people can't hold themselves to the basic rules (be nice and polite, attack the idea not the person, etc.) and things devolve to "you're a bigot! / no, I'm not a bigot!".

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Post by goatinaboat »

belltaco wrote: post #210
frogpelt wrote: post #180

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If private message content is being moderated, it is not private.

Moderators cannot see private message content.

Moderators cannot see private message content.

Maybe ordinary mods but Reddit employees?

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by hoseja »

phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

This thread has now been disappeared from the frontpage as well.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by debacle »

sonthonax wrote: post #225
Symbiote wrote: post #137

I think the unwelcome article is probably this one, since it is easily found with a Google search suggestion: "Aimee Challenor G[raham Linehan]". NB the final picture is Challenor dressed as an infant (dress + teddy bear). Most other images are cartoon drawings from fetish/furry sites. https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-bo... (I'm posting this link as it seems important to the discussion. I'll…

That's such an incredibly vile article, it pretty much amounts to cyberstalking. It's pretty disgusting how he morally grandstands after digging out the fetish content of a really troubled 15 year old: > Whilst we might recognise that Aimee Challenor is a tragic victim in this mess, we must remember the positions of power and influence he held and how quickly and easily he reached them. The Spectator is equally vile…

It seems to me that the author is trying to highlight the person in question's extreme privilege. Were it not for Challenor's father, it seems like this person may not have had the opportunities that they do.

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Post by Black101 »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #190
mhh__ wrote: post #152

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I don't think it's an awful system but I don't think it's exactly right for HN - in normal operations it works fairly well but when combined with some less desirable HN stereotypes it can just involve shutting down discussion one disagrees with (e.g. merely mentioning Donald Trump by name was an insta flag during the election, but you could always get away with worse if you talked about democrats because the average…

I think most of us automatically downvote or flag anything political regardless of personal politics. Especially US presidential politics, because that's what the uninteresting parts of the internet are for.

It is completely false that a bias doesn't come into play with political content.

It is not necessarily a bad thing, but some users appear to have been given more power and can shut down those articles more quickly.

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Post by zozbot234 »

stonecraftwolf wrote: post #223
zozbot234 wrote: post #206

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Homosexuality and heterosexuality are modern inventions, yes - they first show up in the discourse of 19th c. psychology. And no, rape culture was never the province of "certain minorities", in fact it was quite widespread among those we would now (retrospectively!) identify as heterosexual. The primacy of sexual consent and of romantic, egalitarian relationships are very modern developments.

The words themselves are modern inventions, reflecting the western medicalization of the concepts, which in turn reflected bigotry — declaring something an “illness” is a great way to get people on board with eradicating it. But gay people and gay relationships existed in pretty much every society for which we have records, long before the British decided to coin a new word. (And in fact, so did trans people.) A rose…

> reflected bigotry — declaring something an “illness” is a great way to get people on board with eradicating it

It's quite true that homosexuality used to be viewed like that. And yet, strange as it might seem, even that was a significant step forward from earlier perceptions of MSM which essentially were reminiscent of the Graeco-Roman model. Obviously these perceptions were also colored by bigotry, but we can see parallel changes in the discourse among male gays themselves.

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