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Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders

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Post by cpncrunch »

podgaj wrote: post #239
cpncrunch wrote: post #232

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No, it is saying that having perseverence and working towards goals helps: “Our findings suggest that people can improve their mental health by raising or maintaining high levels of tenacity, resilience and optimism,” she said. “Aspiring toward personal and career goals can make people feel like their lives have meaning. On the other hand, disengaging from striving toward those aims or having a cynical attitude can h…

And I am saying they are mistaking correlation with causation.

That seems unlikely, since they didn't find any correlation between baseline depression and future goals, only between baseline goals and future depression.

"Greater within-subject increased goal persistence (but not positive reappraisal or self-mastery) led to larger future declines in disorder counts. However, within-subject change in disorder counts did not substantially influence future change in each cognitive or behavioral strategy"

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Post by mirimir »

dorgo wrote: post #124
mirimir wrote: post #76

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Yes, correlation causality.

But we are talking about psychology. I mean, I can improve my mood by smiling.

Sure. But in my experience, what works better is remembering happy times. Or rather, represencing happy states.

And once I'm being happy and optimistic, it's natural to persevere and accomplish stuff more effectively, and I have desired results. That is, "be -> do -> have". Which is just the opposite of the western cultural default of "have -> do -> be". As in: "If I were wealthy, I could do all this fun stuff, and then I'd be happy."

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Post by podgaj »

cpncrunch wrote: post #240
podgaj wrote: post #237

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Why do you think you know so much about something you have just heard about? I have PARTIAL GCH1 deficiency. This affects a lot more people since it is not detected at birth. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679294/ And I am in no way blaming all mood disorders on this gene change.

Why do you have to be so rude? You didn't mention anything about PARTIAL GCH1 deficiency, and the ref you give is a from a single patient. The condition discussed in the article (DRD) affects one in a million people according to the NIH.

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Post by podgaj »

cpncrunch wrote: post #241
podgaj wrote: post #239

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And I am saying they are mistaking correlation with causation.

That seems unlikely, since they didn't find any correlation between baseline depression and future goals, only between baseline goals and future depression. "Greater within-subject increased goal persistence (but not positive reappraisal or self-mastery) led to larger future declines in disorder counts. However, within-subject change in disorder counts did not substantially influence future change in each cognitive o…

They were not studying people with depression and anxiety, it was a general population. So this might work for people in general, but not with people with depression and anxiety.

Participants were 3,294 community-dwelling adults ages 45.62 years

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Post by auganov »

podgaj wrote: post #152

I do not know how many people here have "Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders" but I am on disability for all three and it runs in my family on my mother's side. So what is this article saying? Me and my family just do not have perseverance? That we lack the "will" not to be depressed and anxious? That I just need to "Aspir[e] toward personal and career goals"? HA! No, it's not true. You see, they found we all have a…

Having an underlying disorder that can be treated with pharmaceuticals and other approaches working aren't mutually exclusive.

Perhaps everybody struggling with anything has a yet-unknown condition that could be treated with drugs.

Yet based on how we act, even with a handicap, our outcomes will vary widely.

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Post by cpncrunch »

podgaj wrote: post #244
cpncrunch wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you have to be so rude? You didn't mention anything about PARTIAL GCH1 deficiency, and the ref you give is a from a single patient. The condition discussed in the article (DRD) affects one in a million people according to the NIH.

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What SNPs do you have?

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Post by lvturner »

cheeko1234 wrote: post #222
lvturner wrote: post #161

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Yes, and I apologise if I veer off topic a bit, but I find all of these things below inter-related. I've found that creating more space in my brain (I am prone to suffering anxiety) removes the friction I have in starting tasks and increases the enjoyment I get out of them. Not only have goals become easier to progress on, but I've found that I can take on more. All of this is a work in progress though, some days/wee…

Your comment was very helpful. Some questions if your comfortable answering: How did you change your mindset? Books, articles, techniques? I currently employ THC to help with my baseline anxiety but that has been going downhill for me recently. May give CBD oil a shot. Do you just vape it? When you say Wim Hof Method, do you include the cold therapy or just the breathing? I wonder how much does lack of healthy relati…

Unfortunately changing my mindset has just been a slow process (and I still think I have a lot further to go!) no real technique - I just try to invert negative thoughts and be grateful for what I have. I do not always succeed.

CBD oil I just use a tincture that I apply under my tongue - I'll also occasionally add edible capsules if I feel a day is going to be particularly stressful. From my experiments with THC as a teenager, we didn't mix well - I also used nicotine for a very long time, I wouldn't recommend it though!

For WHM I also do cold showers - I wasn't a fan at first, but now most of my showers are cold. I will note that I live in a fairly tropical climate so "cold" here isn't exactly freezing - I'm interested to see what the experience will be like towards winter as the water temperature will gradually drop. I do find I get the most out of it during periods of breath holding as it really let's me empty my mind.

Lack of healthy relationships can be huge - due to expatriating and people I knew leaving the country I am in I don't have a great deal of close friends who live in the same country as me - I am however happily married.

None of these are absolutes and it has taken me a long time to get to where I am.

I will also readily admit that in many areas I have been exceedingly fortunate and as a result there are many things I don't have to worry about that others do, this naturally makes some things easier - all our paths are unique.

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Post by perl4ever »

gfodor wrote: post #190
podgaj wrote: post #152

I do not know how many people here have "Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders" but I am on disability for all three and it runs in my family on my mother's side. So what is this article saying? Me and my family just do not have perseverance? That we lack the "will" not to be depressed and anxious? That I just need to "Aspir[e] toward personal and career goals"? HA! No, it's not true. You see, they found we all have a…

I empathize with your frustration, but you're letting your personal experience override logic. You've made a simple logical error: a study claiming that people who have goals can fend off depression does not imply that those with depression have it because they do not have goals. It means that some people who don't have goals, but do have depression, may remedy it by getting goals. But not everyone. If the research a…

What if, bear with me here, depression causes a lack of perseverance toward life goals.

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Post by lioeters »

tasogare wrote: post #147
circlefavshape wrote: post #127

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> I have seen and done things that most people couldn't imagine, that has been, many times, too weird to be believable even as fiction. What? I'm really curious now. What is the project? What was the goal? Don't leave us hanging!

Curious too. 30 years project with one printed volume a years looks like an encyclopedia. @deerpig you could set up a Patreon or some sort of crowd funding. If a few people interested in your project give you few bucks here and there, it could have a big impact on your income.

I did some digging. He's the founder of the Chenla Institute, Center for Distributed Civilization. Also launching/launched Chenla FabLab.

His comment history suggests he's old-school, been around the block (China, Japan, Cambodia), has done work for SGI, and has an "Infinite Reality" machine at work (which is described as a "graphics supercomputer").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InfiniteReality

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