Unless I'm misunderstanding...
People without $DISORDER show less symptoms of $DISORDER.
Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
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Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#232I do not know how many people here have "Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders" but I am on disability for all three and it runs in my family on my mother's side. So what is this article saying? Me and my family just do not have perseverance? That we lack the "will" not to be depressed and anxious? That I just need to "Aspir[e] toward personal and career goals"? HA! No, it's not true. You see, they found we all have a…
> So what is this article saying? Me and my family just do not have perseverance? I think it's more likely that if you're not depressed, chronically anxious or having panic attacks, you'll find it far easier to muster some perseverance.
No, it is saying that having perseverence and working towards goals helps:
“Our findings suggest that people can improve their mental health by raising or maintaining high levels of tenacity, resilience and optimism,” she said. “Aspiring toward personal and career goals can make people feel like their lives have meaning. On the other hand, disengaging from striving toward those aims or having a cynical attitude can have high mental health costs.”
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you think is more reasonable, that your emotional commitments to this subject are distorting your read of the article, or that the American Psychological Association knows less than you do?
Appeal to authority much? I just told you they were wrong about me during my 30 years of treatment. They thought I had a mood disorder but I had a metabolic disorder. so in this case, yes, they knew less than I did.
Your condition only affects 1 in 500,000 to 1 in 1 million newborns, whereas major depression has a 20% lifetime prevalence in the USA. For anxiety disorders, the rate is 30%.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#234I do not know how many people here have "Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders" but I am on disability for all three and it runs in my family on my mother's side. So what is this article saying? Me and my family just do not have perseverance? That we lack the "will" not to be depressed and anxious? That I just need to "Aspir[e] toward personal and career goals"? HA! No, it's not true. You see, they found we all have a…
The more I am unfortunately exposed to this after catching ME/CFS the more I realise medicine has a huge professionalism problem. Maybe a better term is a religious problem. Anything they cant currently explain is the patients fault. Having chronic energy fatigue issues is just me being lazy apparently and the enormous crashes I get after exercise are me doing wrong. The hundreds of thousands of c19 patients that dev…
Speaking as someone who has recovered from ME/CFS, stress and (lack of) goals seem to have been a big factor in causing me to develop the illness, and stress seems to be a major factor for other patients as well (according to both the research, and the experiences of patients themselves).
I don't see this as blaming myself, it's just how the brain works. Chronic stress has negative effects for all mammals. Take a look at forced swimming, visible burrow, or other stress experiments. It isn't the animal's fault that it has a negative reaction (in terms of cortisol, neurotransmitters, depression, anxiety, mental/physical fatigue, or whatever) to the stressful situation. The brain has evolved to generate these responses to stress, presumably as a survival tool to help prevent the even worse effects of chronic long-term stress. The one advantage we have as humans is that we have a certain amount of control in getting out of stressful situations.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really loved Frankl's book as a teenager. I only learnt about his dark side, that the book was full of lies, recently. I didn't just read the wikipedia page, followed up the references, reading into several books that go into detail about it. The more you learn, the more disturbing and weird it gets. Yes in fact they do sound like disturbing Mengele-like experiments on people. His massive-bestseller book makes it s…
Removed in April by, from their bio, "co-founder of the Viktor Frankl Institute of America. I was born in Vienna, Austria in 1974 and am the grandson of Viktor Frankl."
Oh thank you for finding that out. That sounds very fishy! It seems his grandson totally rewrote his page, including removing the long Controversy section. I'm not sure how that edit has been allowed to stand so long. (I put a comment on the talk page saying that just now.)
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
I empathize with your frustration, but you're letting your personal experience override logic. You've made a simple logical error: a study claiming that people who have goals can fend off depression does not imply that those with depression have it because they do not have goals. It means that some people who don't have goals, but do have depression, may remedy it by getting goals. But not everyone. If the research a…
That was my point. This study tells us nothing. The problem is not with people or the doctors, it is with these idiotic studies. From the study: "People who showed more goal persistence and optimism during the first assessment in the mid-1990s had greater reductions in depression, anxiety and panic disorders across the 18 years, according to the authors. And throughout those years, people who began with fewer mental…
Another potential issue is how ordinary people could interpret this article, incorrectly thinking that any depression can be fixed by pursuing goals.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
Appeal to authority much? I just told you they were wrong about me during my 30 years of treatment. They thought I had a mood disorder but I had a metabolic disorder. so in this case, yes, they knew less than I did.
Your condition only affects 1 in 500,000 to 1 in 1 million newborns, whereas major depression has a 20% lifetime prevalence in the USA. For anxiety disorders, the rate is 30%.
Why do you think you know so much about something you have just heard about?
I have PARTIAL GCH1 deficiency. This affects a lot more people since it is not detected at birth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679294/
And I am in no way blaming all mood disorders on this gene change.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
That was my point. This study tells us nothing. The problem is not with people or the doctors, it is with these idiotic studies. From the study: "People who showed more goal persistence and optimism during the first assessment in the mid-1990s had greater reductions in depression, anxiety and panic disorders across the 18 years, according to the authors. And throughout those years, people who began with fewer mental…
Your emotion is clouding your ability to be reasonable about this. Saying that certain behavior can have treatment value does not imply that not doing that behavior was the cause. If they said a heating pad could help me fix my muscle strain, does that mean they are saying that I caused a muscle strain by not using a heating pad? That's absurd of course. They are saying that focusing on achievement of life goals (as…
Why are you talking about my emotion? Because I said I have a mood disorder?
>If they said a heating pad could help me fix my muscle strain, does that mean they are saying that I caused a muscle strain by not using a heating pad? That's absurd of course.
If you look at the rest of this thread that is how everyone is interpreting it. read them and talk to them. I am not doing that, doctors do it.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So what is this article saying? Me and my family just do not have perseverance? I think it's more likely that if you're not depressed, chronically anxious or having panic attacks, you'll find it far easier to muster some perseverance.
No, it is saying that having perseverence and working towards goals helps: “Our findings suggest that people can improve their mental health by raising or maintaining high levels of tenacity, resilience and optimism,” she said. “Aspiring toward personal and career goals can make people feel like their lives have meaning. On the other hand, disengaging from striving toward those aims or having a cynical attitude can h…
And I am saying they are mistaking correlation with causation.
Re: Perseverance Toward Life Goals Can Fend Off Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorders
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your condition only affects 1 in 500,000 to 1 in 1 million newborns, whereas major depression has a 20% lifetime prevalence in the USA. For anxiety disorders, the rate is 30%.
Why do you think you know so much about something you have just heard about? I have PARTIAL GCH1 deficiency. This affects a lot more people since it is not detected at birth. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2679294/ And I am in no way blaming all mood disorders on this gene change.
Why do you have to be so rude? You didn't mention anything about PARTIAL GCH1 deficiency, and the ref you give is a from a single patient. The condition discussed in the article (DRD) affects one in a million people according to the NIH.