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TurboTax’s 20-Year Fight to Stop Americans from Filing Taxes for Free

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet the cost of implementing a government algorithm has not yet fallen to near-zero. Furthermore, the government has surely implemented the algorithm itself in order to verify submitted tax returns, so the implementation cost of pre-computing everyone's tax should be comparatively small.

Maybe I’m overly cynical, but creating tax returns for everyone for free would prevent the IRS from allowing you to incriminate yourself by mis-filing (intentionally or not) and then levying huge penalties and interest on you 10 years later. Everyone is hating on TurboTax for making money, but they’re pretending the government tax machine has no such motivation, which simply is not true.

Yeah, that's overly cynical. :) If they switched to a pre-filled system, the revenue from penalties would go down, but it's quite likely the amount they would bring in would actually go up, assuming this reduced tax fraud. In 2016, they charged $24.1 billion in penalties -- but they estimate tax fraud cost them around $458 billion. If they lost 90% of the revenue for the penalties but cut the tax fraud even by 25%, they would be way, way ahead.

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post #117

I like propublica's reporting on this but geez, this needs an award for one of the top HN obsessions. Within the past 7 months: TurboTax’s 20-Year Fight to Stop Americans from Filing Taxes for Free; 211 points -- 54 minutes ago TurboTax to charge more lower-income customers; 144 points -- 3 months ago Congress Scraps Provision to Restrict IRS from Competing with TurboTax; 82 points -- 4 months ago Listen to TurboTax…

Come on

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post #207

Ultimately the problem is that the tax code is altogether too complex. I filed by hand up until a couple of years ago when I had to start accounting for things like capital gains and dividends from stock sales, and at that point it became too difficult and I started paying for TurboTax. At the end of the day they solve a problem that is entirely manufactured by government. The main area where the system seems to be g…

A flat income tax as the sole tax would eliminate tax filing complexity. It would also eliminate the inequality in the tax code (sales tax is a larger income tax on lower incomes, tax credits disproportionally benefit people in lower cost of living areas, etc.). A flat income tax is equal in that everyone pays the same rate, and fair in that the more money a person earns the more they pay.

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Maybe I'm totally wrong here, but I don't see much of a difference between extorsionist tax filing software and scam callers warning me about the IRS suing me. Can the government please make something that's easy to use? Filing taxes isn't something that requires a separate company to help with, and I see no reason why these products have a right to exist (and especially not be canonized), especially with how exploit…

How many pages of the supposed eight thousand plus pages of tax law apply to the majority of those who file taxes? The IRS certainly can tell me when I am wrong but they won't do it except when the result is in their favor; in my case I was improperly not filing HSA expenditures which would have resulted in me getting more back. It comes down to this and I do not blame Turbo Tax or any other company in this area. The…

I would sure as fuck would blame TurboTax, assuming you filed with them. Why else would you (be forced to) pay them if they can't perform their primary function of navigating overly complex tax law correctly?

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Sigh. I use TurboTax because I had an accountant who retired and sold his bussiness to some Class A assholes who managed to fuck up what should have been a fairly simple return for them given I explained everything in detail if they had bothered to read it. I had to fire them over it, leaving me with no return for 2017 about a week before April 15. It was extremely stressful because it involves a lot of stock cost basis issues related to some inherited equities and capital gains, etc. I could have filed an extension, but I was able to figure it all out using TT and get my taxes done correctly. The assholes would have had me paying $15K incorrectly! Shitheads! So even accounting firms are not at all reliable.

If someone came along and made a free (e.g. open source) version that was halfway decent, I would use it. I could do the paper forms, it's not really that difficult, just time consuming. Time is money. TT charged me like $100 for the whole dealie.

I don't want TT standing in the way of needed reform. I think our tax code is patently ridiculous and only computers have allowed it to be that way and lobbyists keep it that way.

Forget the "wealth tax"--that is bullshit, too. Inflation will bring you dead center into whatever tax scheme is cooked up which is already why we're in the mess we're in.

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Google "free tax filing" and these organizations all promise free tax filing on the first page: IRS, eFile, FreeTaxUSA, TurboTax, H&R Block, TaxAct, and others. Intuit's not the top organic or paid slot. Are all of these equally misleading or is Intuit just called out for being the market leader?

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In Canada the CRA has a list of free tax software listed on its website.

For the last two years I literally filed my tax return with two mouse clicks. Click 1 Autofill Click 2 Efile.

At some point I expect the government to just send a notice "your taxes have been filed. If you have concerns contact us".

I could have been doing it for ten years but I was stuck in the past of only using electronic tax software. And I still made a paper copy for myself.

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I really don't understand why I have to file my taxes to begin with. I have a W2 job, and my employer presumably has sent my paystubs and tax information to the government already. I then have to copy down the information from my W2 into some kind of tax filing software, and then they have to check to make sure that what I typed matches what they have, presumably paying someone to do that if I make any kind of seriou…

It's not terribly difficult to construct circumstances in which the government doesn't know how much you owe them. It's simpler to have a single policy for everyone. Therefore, everyone has to do their own taxes. I really don't think it's more complicated than that.

I wonder what percent of taxpayers actually owe a different amount than the IRS can compute on its own. My guess is it’s not much more than 30% (the percentage who itemize deductions).

Is it really worth making 100% of taxpayers do their own just to handle the edge case of people who actually have to?

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post #158

A few weeks ago I started an LLC in New York. I followed all the simple instructions online and the process was actually very straightforward and easy. I had an official digital copy of proof my LLC existed within an hour. I went to sleep with and thought that there is hope for our government. Within a few days I received a letter from a private company informing me that unless I pay them $1000 to publish the name of…

Don’t falter that easy. If the law is stated so clearly, then start 3 more LLC’s and offer the news posting service for $10 in your new publications that only publish new LLC’s.
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