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Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by sp332 » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 8:42 PM UTC

CWIZO wrote: post #237

lancewiggs wrote: post #229

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It removes the unusable rubbish from the store. The last thing Apple (or I as a customer) want is a vast quantity of demo or crippleware on my computer and cluttering up the store.

Demo and full version of the app could easily be combined into one entry and that would solve the clutter problem. I don't know about you, but even 50€ is a lot of money for me, and I'd like to try the app first and buy it only if I find it useful. And I suspect that the average Joe will not know how to find the demo version on the internet.

Steam does this, and it's great. Games have 3 buttons: watch trailer, play demo, buy game.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by daniel02216 » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 8:48 PM UTC

listic wrote: post #239

rudd wrote: post #43

I will say this: Apple is not afraid to leave old technology behind. While website XYZ aims to support multiple versions of every browser, including those released a decade ago (IE6), Apple won't even support Leopard with its new store, which was the version that came with the Mac I got just over a year ago.

Regarding OS X version: how do you go about upgrading OS X? I am a new Mac user. I was given a free 2008 MacBook 13" in colledge. It came with Mac OS 10.5.2 installed, which couldn't run some new programs, so I did an update and it updated to 10.5.8 which solved all my problems so far. Are you supposed do buy an OS upgrade? Or buy a new Mac?

You can buy a Snow Leopard DVD for $30, or get downloadable dmgs if you pay for the Mac dev program. Snow Leopard works on any intel Mac.

Upgrades are easy and preserve all your stuff. No need to format or anything.

Of course you can buy a new Mac too.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by cohenaron » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 8:57 PM UTC

thwarted wrote: post #130

gaiusparx wrote: post #40

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Guess the UI is in transition to a more standardized one in Lion.

Standardized until it's changed in Alley or Calico.

hey, semi-noob here.

what do you mean by "alley or calico"? sorry, but google isn't helping me here...

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by philwelch » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 9:13 PM UTC

mikeklaas wrote: post #235

philwelch wrote: post #197

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(Off-topic rant) Yes, because it's vitally fucking important to interrupt my workflow everytime there's a new "Shit My Dad Says". God, I hate Growl sometimes.

You hate a notification framework because YOU installed an app that uses it to ping you with stupid crap?

There are a few legitimate things I need Growl to notify me about, mostly unit tests. Unfortunately, every single time I install any other Mac application that wants to use Growl to notify me about dumb shit, I have to go configure it not to use Growl for dumb shit. It's an annoyance.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by toddmorey » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 9:20 PM UTC

lancewiggs wrote: post #229

CWIZO wrote: post #181

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Care to elaborate on why that is good?

It removes the unusable rubbish from the store. The last thing Apple (or I as a customer) want is a vast quantity of demo or crippleware on my computer and cluttering up the store.

I don't mean the crippleware. I was intrigued by an interesting-looking code editor, but I couldn't test to see if it would really work the way I thought it would, and it was too expensive to buy on a lark. Without sharp eyes, you may not see the developer's site link or know to check for a trial version.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by chrisbolt » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 9:20 PM UTC

msbarnett wrote: post #214

jadedoto wrote: post #125

They allow redownload. How nice... I got burned by the removal of this in the iTunes app store when upgrading my iPad failed.

What? You can still redownload, for free, any app you have ever purchased in the iTunes app store.

Just not music, TV, movies.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by nathos » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 9:21 PM UTC

cohenaron wrote: post #243

thwarted wrote: post #130

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Standardized until it's changed in Alley or Calico.

hey, semi-noob here. what do you mean by "alley or calico"? sorry, but google isn't helping me here...

Mac OS X versions are named after cats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#Versions

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by vilya » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 9:43 PM UTC

gaiusparx wrote: post #171

toddmorey wrote: post #91

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I realized something that I think is even bigger than uninstalling: There's no software trial mechanism in the App Store. That's always been the spirit of shareware (and a lot of hosted services, too). You install it, kick the tires, and then decide on purchasing before the trial is done. But here, even programs available for trial on the actual developer sites seem only to be available for instant purchase. (The equ…

Apple has specifically mentioned that no trialware or Lite version of app is allowed on Mac App Store, and advise developer to host such version on their own. Good move by Apple.

That's odd - while browsing it just now I noticed Autodesk's Sketchbook has both "Pro" (paid-for) and "Express" (free) versions on there. Seems like they're not applying that rule consistently, if at all.

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by jonursenbach » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 9:52 PM UTC

philwelch wrote: post #244

mikeklaas wrote: post #235

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You hate a notification framework because YOU installed an app that uses it to ping you with stupid crap?

There are a few legitimate things I need Growl to notify me about, mostly unit tests. Unfortunately, every single time I install any other Mac application that wants to use Growl to notify me about dumb shit, I have to go configure it not to use Growl for dumb shit. It's an annoyance.

Then don't run desktop Twitter applications. Problem solved?

Re: Mac App Store: Open for Business

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Post by philwelch » Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 10:00 PM UTC

jonursenbach wrote: post #249

philwelch wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few legitimate things I need Growl to notify me about, mostly unit tests. Unfortunately, every single time I install any other Mac application that wants to use Growl to notify me about dumb shit, I have to go configure it not to use Growl for dumb shit. It's an annoyance.

Then don't run desktop Twitter applications. Problem solved?

I don't. That was, in fact, my original point: did you see the comment I was originally replying to? tommi explicitly named Growl notifications of new tweets as an important feature of desktop Twitter clients as opposed to just using the website. I, on the other hand, find Growl notifications to be an anti-feature more often than not, and disable them for all kinds of things (IM clients, Firefox, etc.) I actually do want to use.